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Cliff Edge anyone?

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whitewave Fri 30-Jun-17 07:31:33

This term gets bandied about in relation to Brexit without any of the consequences attached to it.

I have just done some research/ reading and thought it was time we all had the opportunity to discuss what exactly a "cliff edge Brexit" means and whether it can be taken seriously as a "no deal is better than a bad deal" deal.

So talks have failed and our government decides to go it alone.

It is day one of Britains great adventure

We have no trade deals with the EU or the rest of the world.
The economy goes into recession
We now have in front of us several years of negotiating trade deals both with our potentially biggest customer -Europe and the rest of the World.
Countries like Argentina and others that bear a grudge will block any dealings with the WTO.
Getting exports to Europe will become an absolute nightmare, as even if we have successfully arranged our borders for a post Brexit scenario, Europe has only just begun to get their border controls in place for the flow of goods to and from the UK.
The SE becomes a huge lorry park as good stand waiting to be processed. There is a potential for shortages to occur- particularly in relation to food, as there is only one port in Europe that is set up to deal with this commodity, and that is not yet functioning.
Issues like "country of origin" causes complete chaos for business and everything becomes a bureaucratic nightmare.
Flights are delayed/cancelled until the UK can do its own deals with regard to flight rights.
And of course as we have read only recently, nuclear material will dry up, threatening cancer and other treatment.

References are available on request????

durhamjen Thu 06-Jul-17 19:26:11

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/06/uk-business-leaders-to-call-for-indefinite-delay-in-leaving-single-market

Do you think they will get what they want?
It seems very much like Labour's non-support of the Tory's deal.

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Jalima1108 Thu 06-Jul-17 19:07:17

grin

durhamjen Thu 06-Jul-17 19:06:28

Another five decoys there on the front row.

Jalima1108 Thu 06-Jul-17 19:04:28

Could this be the answer?

A political decoy is a person employed to impersonate a politician, to draw attention away from the real person or to take risks on that person's behalf. This can also apply to military figures, or civilians impersonated for political or espionage purposes.

durhamjen Thu 06-Jul-17 18:54:30

Definitely looks like him.

durhamjen Thu 06-Jul-17 18:52:55

How strange.

Tegan2 Thu 06-Jul-17 18:40:11

'Did anyone realise that IDS didn't campaign for leave?'
.....not me confused. I know he kept going on about 'yesterdays men' even though he's the biggest 'yesterday man' of them all.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 18:16:56

I think IDS announced it on the radio trying to show he isn't necessarily a totally convinced Brexiter.

I think there will be more of those

Welshwife Thu 06-Jul-17 18:14:10

How many does that make who are now so determined to leave the EU but we're not convinced Leavers previously?

Barnier has now given a speech detailing how it will be impossible to get a deal anything like as good as being a member.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 18:10:42

Did anyone realise that IDS didn't campaign for leave?

daphnedill Thu 06-Jul-17 17:38:23

EU and Japan reach free trade deal:

www.bbc.co.uk/news/business-40520218#

Hmmm! I wonder where Nissan will manufacture the cars which end up being sold to EU customers.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 14:56:54

New Statement has published an article today

The Brexiters think that they are losing the argument, particularly since the election. People are clearly not prepared to be made poorer, and the downward progression of the economy is suggesting that is exactly what is likely to happen.

Fox and Leadsom are already trying to find someone to blame and have decided to scapegoat the media.

Leaving is still more like to happen than not.

Presumably the message of economic disaster has not entirely reached all the parts yet.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 14:21:48

Express article

Cameron is trying to rally support for a watered down Brexit and to oppose May.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 14:20:08

Independent report

William Hague talking in HoL said that the UKs foreign affairs influence will undoubtedly be damaged after Brexit.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 14:17:31

Barnier has rejected any attempt by the UK to suggest that "frictionless" trade is possible after Brexit.

There is no possibility for the UK to leave and then continue with the same benefits.

That blows both the Labour and Tory position out of the water.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 14:00:09

Corbyn has meeting set up with Barnier to discuss single market and customs union.

No doubt without any silly grandstanding.

Tegan2 Thu 06-Jul-17 12:06:25

The first people we spoke to before the referendum were people from the Conservative party who had a 'remain' stall in a nearby town. One of them used to work with my partner and he told us about the effect brexit would have on the Medicines Agency, including loss of jobs etc. Yet another part of project fear that is now coming to fruition sad.And, loss of jobs is just a small part of it.

whitewave Thu 06-Jul-17 10:55:09

20 EU countries after the European Medicines Agency - what lunacy decided we should give it up?

durhamjen Thu 06-Jul-17 10:27:51

But that was up until the EU decided to do country by country reporting for tax purposes.
It will be interesting to see if they change their minds now that the EU is doing that.

daphnedill Thu 06-Jul-17 09:50:39

Most big businesses do want to stay in the EU, which is precisely why they're planning to move, so they can stay in.

durhamjen Thu 06-Jul-17 09:45:26

Deutsche Bank moving all its banking from London to Frankfurt.

durhamjen Wed 05-Jul-17 22:40:19

Tory government has been protecting big businesses more than anyone else.
It's no accident that most tax havens are British.

petra Wed 05-Jul-17 22:27:53

One thing I do know for sure is: poor old juncker must be getting it in the neck after spending all these years protecting them.

petra Wed 05-Jul-17 22:24:33

so we have one poster saying another reason why big business wants out of the eu
And another saying Big business does want to stay in the eu
Very confused of Southend here grin

durhamjen Wed 05-Jul-17 22:14:29

Sorry, daphne, are they not big businesses as well?
If country by country reporting comes in, they will not want to stay in the EU because they will have to pay taxes in the country in which they do their work.

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