Cliff Edge anyone?

Big business does want to stay in the EU. The businesses which want to leave are hedge fund managers and insurance companies, etc, which many people would claim aren't businesses at all, because they aren't manufacturers. The reason they want to leave is because the EU is more committed to closing down tax loopholes than the UK.

Daily Express a strong leave supporter had an article about Brexit and talked about If the UK leaves

The EU apparently had a meeting and agrèed that the UK would be welcomed back when/if it changes it mind.

Yes, Tegan.
A million+ jobs in transport, and 44% of exports going to EU.
A big gap to fill.

I still have the leave campaign leaflet saying that Nissan supported them.I thought the company were going to take them to court over it? Still can't get over the shock and disbelief when Sunderland voted leave.

The honest tax paying ones do want to stay!

Just so depressing when you think where it is likely to lead for al the young families.

^another reason why big business wants out of the eu*
I'm sure I read somewhere on here that it was exactly the opposite. I.e. That big business wanted to stay in the eu.
I must have read the many posts wrong.

The screws are gradually turning

Two other things today - Peugeot have been the go ahead for the take over of Opel/Vauxhall and Japan and the EU have agreed to fee trade deal. No need for Nissan or Honda to keep UK factories open any longer - they will no doubt do as they say and continue to honour the current contracts. Plus of course this will impact on the parts suppliers.
Canada is also talking again of a trade deal.

The EU has now adopted country by country reporting on tax for multi-national companies.

www.eureporter.co/frontpage/2017/07/04/country-by-country-reporting-increased-tax-transparency-without-jeopardizing-competitiveness/

Another reason why big business wants out of the EU?

Anyone heard of the " International Investment Law"?

Apparently it is being used to allow foreign investors to sue the U.K. government over loss of income because of Brexit.

Varian agree with your comments. On QT there seems to be quite a few of the swivel-eyed lunatics. My DM has a friend who voted Brexit to 'keep the foreigners out'. This is someone who has a DiL, a lovely Fillipino girl, stuck back in the Phillipines unable to join her husband.....oh the irony. I could never figure out why Farage was a hero to so many, he admitted taking allowances and not attending the meetings that he was paid to attend, why would anyone, ever, think this was something to be applauded? Fools. There must surely be grounds to reverse this bloody madness, it was based on lies and deliberate misinformation, any other contractual agreement would be declared null and void.

I really fear that it's going to happen too late

loopyloo says she thinks brexit makes sense because the EU has problems. Of course it has problems but we are in a much better position as members to address these issues and help solve problems.

I find that leave-voters who still attempts to justify leaving do so for the flimsiest of reasons. I'm not talking about the swivel-eyed angry brexiters who seem to belong to some deranged cult. I don't suggest loopyloo is one of these.

She seems more like my leave-voting friend who made up her mind because she thinks too much EU money is wasted on mismanagement and corruption and cites in particular the staggering amount raked in by Nigel Farage -that's right the same NF who stirred up this mess.

My friend claims he made millions and hardly ever even turned up and she's right but that seems like the worst reason for her to support him. I hope as things unfold she will begin to see sense as so many are now beginning to do.

It was a topic on the health debate on Parliament channel - number of UK doctors being trained and those from EU and the rest of the world.

Guardian report shows Hunt holding a paper on the way to cabinet which includes the heading "hard Brexit will mean people fleeing the UK"

Presumably he is interested because of the NHS.

tegan not sure any of them are either competent of give anyone any confidence.

The City and service industry have given up and decided to negotiate on their own, and manufacturing etc are getting really concerned at the lack of any action or information.

So, of all of the leavers who is actually doing anything positive, other than slimy Gove who is positively trying to ruin our relationship with Ireland at the same time as wiping out fish stocks [which probably wouldn't even exist now were it not for EU regulations].

It really is bizarre. So Dominic Cummings was the official Leave campaign director has now said that the referendum was a mistake.

What a mistake a to make a!!!!!!!

Bloody fool.

Maizie; I've just read that. I don't know how he sleeps at night. Maybe he should spearhead a campaign [free of charge] to scrap brexit. It was a very clever campaign, full of meaningless soundbites that the remain campaign couldn't hope to compete with. Vote remain; you know it makes sense sort of stuff could never compete with 'take back control' etc .

Manufacturing - lack of clarity by the government is forcing the manufacturers to make painful cuts. This warning given by the Engineering Employers Federation.

CBI alarmed at the slow pace over how to ensure economic stability.

Business Leaders extremely concerned over governments apparent inability to outline how to retain access to European markets and employees. This is already beginning to hold back growth and likely to become critical.

This complete lack of clarity means that business is unable to forward plan with any confidence.

Scuoler - the EEF - chief executive, said that the situation if not addressed soon will be as tragic as it is harmful.

Domestic demand is falling,

Exports are weak despite the fall in sterling.

Growth is declining.

In yet another bizarre twist the organiser of the Leave Campaign, Dominic Cummings, has said this on twitter:

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He's the one who also admitted that the £350 million a week to the EU was the lie that won it for the Leavers.

loopyloo

As just about every economics 'expert', which includes the Governor of the Bank of England, the UK Treasury department, the IFS and countless others, says that Brexit is going to make the country immeasurably poorer (and recovery, if it happens at all, could take decades) how does it make any sense at all?

Especially as we already have Parliamentary sovereignty and Parliament does make its own rules. this is what it makes rules about:

-Health policy. Education. Fiscal policy. Public expenditure. Monetary policy. Income tax. Corporation tax. Capital gains tax. Inheritance tax. Border control and security. Non-EU immigration. Pensions. Welfare. Foreign policy decisions. Defence. Military Intelligence. Development cooperation and humanitarian aid. All local government. National policing. Crime. Media and press regulation. Family law. Property law and succession of estates.

It's nothing at all to do with democracy. You do realise, don't you, that if we do leave the EU and make trade deals with other countries there will still be 'rules' imposed on the UK which aren't actually 'made' by the UK. This is a part of trading with the outside world.

In what ways does Brexit make a lot of sense loopyloo?

I'm seeing a lot of nonsense and chaos.

Democracy is about more than putting a cross in a box on one particular day. Democracy in the UK is increasingly being undermined. People are becoming aware that the UK has always made its own rules.

Whitewave - I do so hope that you are right and that the timorous majority will not wait until it is too late.