I haven't contributed to this thread by posting before, but I've followed it and read each post and link with interest. But I think that the last 2 posts, durham were obnoxious and unwarranted. Do you suppose, for just 1 second, that the way you have spoken to roses tonight could be the reason why so many people have stated that they don't want to be shouted at, or told to shut up or, as you've done, tell someone to STFU and so they avoid joining in? Single handedly, you have proved every one of them right. You will now, no doubt, seek to justify yourself by complaining that roses's contributions weren't erudite enough; not sufficiently researched, or didn't give any url links to support her opinion. Maybe none, or all of those are correct but one thing is certain durham: you are a bully. When you cannot longer argue your point in an educated and reasonable fashion, you resort to shouting, insults and telling someone to STFU. You should be embarrassed about yourself.