Cliff Edge anyone?

Oh, so it's a thread just for yourselves is it Maizie ? Really?

If anybody is so het up they should stay off the thread.

On the contrary, roses, any one who is so unaware, even dismissive, of the distress their Leave vote has cause very significant numbers of UK residents should stay off the thread.

inews.co.uk/essentials/news/world/poland-plunges-political-crisis-president-wields-veto/

One of my greatest concerns is the fact that DD [who has studied and taught the era extensively] says that this country is very similar to Germany prior to WWII. So it isn't actually Germany I'm worried about, it's us. Thankfully, Farages attempt to get le Pen elected in France didn't work [that would have really destabilised everything] and his attempt to wield influence in America also failed.So, in an attempt at optimism, all I can say is that things could, at this moment in time, have been a helluvalot worse.

Not rising to your ridiculous bait GGM2

Exactly Petra

durhamjen
Your post @monday 22.36. I think the kidult in the link needs some educating on Schengen. Pre 1985 many of us were traveling freely in Europe. Not just by plane but driving through countries.
We bought property in a country outside the eu. Provided that you could support yourself and not be a drain on the country there's no problem.
Young people need to understand that life didn't start with the eu.

Maybe I am making the comments because I am Jewish? Perhaps you could ask me that comment too. Or maybe I am Mexican. Who else would you like to slur?

Crikey. I didn't realise WW2 started because Hitler promised to 'get our country back' and offered to stop Jews taking jobs.
I've been totally deluded in thinking the Treaty of Versailles and Japanese expansionism were primary causes. You're right about the lack of education gg2. You need to educate the rest of the world now.

Am I German? What difference would that make? What are you suggesting?

Jen, I have to congratulate you for not saying anything worse. There seems to be a proliferation of WUMs on the internet and I feel this is the best case for an 'ignore' choice that I could present. WUMs take over your thinking and keep on keeping on when you want to discuss something properly. We all vow not to let them but they have perfected the art and we end up taking them far to seriously. They are the people who drive others away although, of course they can always present their virtue to others and say 'it's not me gov' having provoked the situation.

....and why would 'some in this country have learned nothing from the last war'
( and yet Germany have done) are you German GGM2 or is your wish to constantly needle, an over riding factor ( I think I know the answer to that already.)

Since Germany started the last two wars..... and has expansionist plans for the EU who knows who will start the next war, it certainly won't be the UK!

Why the assumption that it would be Germany who'd wish to start a world war?

Sadly the lack of education around how wars start and refusal to find out will probably lead us into the same situation again. At some point the people of one country - and it is so unlikely to be Germany - will allow one leader to use similar circumstances to offer to "Get our country back" or "Make our country great again" (Freedom) and they will offer to stop the 'other' be they EU citizens or Mexicans (Jews) taking our jobs (Bread). They will offer to stop other countries or groups of countries 'imposing their laws on us' and will make use of the circumstances within their own country that have been brought about by the very same people who are now supporting the 'big personality' saying these things.

Some in this country may have learned nothing from the last war but why anyone would think Germany has not done so makes me suspect their only reading is old comics.

MaizieD ( and/or) others......being worried about leaving the EU is no excuse
For directing insults at another poster.
If anybody is so het up they should stay off the thread.

Strange, Chewbacca that you didn't apply your high minded moral judgements to Primrose yesterday when she told someone to stfu.

roses' post of 22.36 was a stupid response to someone with close relatives who are deeply worried about their possible status and rights as EU citizens in the UK after Brexit. She clearly has absolutely no awareness of what is being proposed for them and no interest in finding out. Or any ability to empathise with people whose future has suddenly become insecure as a result of her vote to leave the EU.

I don't blame jen for losing her cool.

It is Tegan , I have no argument with you politically. I get as frustrated as anyone else with the current political situation. My statement refers only to the way 1 person has spoken to another tonight. Irrespective of political opinions, there is never the need to be rude, crude or disrespectful. That simply reveals their own lack of maturity, inability to argue their point rationally and the clear streak of a bully. Not good.

Neither do people who constantly harass people on forums that are just trying to put points across. Maybe some of us are so frustrated by what we see going on around us that our fuses are a bit short. We are being governed by a group of idiots who are dragging this country down and it's frustrating that people can't see it .

Possibly so Tegan, but there is no excuse at all for the personal insults, shouting and swearing that durham directed at another poster tonight. Her posts drew attention, not to the paucity of factual content of someone else's post, but to the fact that she will sink to insults, shouting and swearing. She's done herself no favours tonight.

Precisely, Tegan.

The people who should be embarrassed are those who contribute nothing to threads but just constantly tell us that we'll soon be living in utopia but give absolutely no evidence of how this utopia is going to come about.

I haven't contributed to this thread by posting before, but I've followed it and read each post and link with interest. But I think that the last 2 posts, durham were obnoxious and unwarranted. Do you suppose, for just 1 second, that the way you have spoken to roses tonight could be the reason why so many people have stated that they don't want to be shouted at, or told to shut up or, as you've done, tell someone to STFU and so they avoid joining in? Single handedly, you have proved every one of them right. You will now, no doubt, seek to justify yourself by complaining that roses's contributions weren't erudite enough; not sufficiently researched, or didn't give any url links to support her opinion. Maybe none, or all of those are correct but one thing is certain durham: you are a bully. When you cannot longer argue your point in an educated and reasonable fashion, you resort to shouting, insults and telling someone to STFU. You should be embarrassed about yourself.

but the nonsense I read on this gransnet site makes me dispair.

It makes some of us despair, too, but I don't think our definitions of 'nonsense' are quite the same.

Yes, well, better than pessimism and death hey?