Why so much surprise over Corbyn calling for Labour to Abstain?

I'm not sure he did - not according to Mike Galsworthy.

Labour's playing a long game, that's for sure, and it's all about jockeying for position.

The danger is that Labour leaves it too late - and some younger Labour supporters realise that.

Even if there's a vote in Parliament (or even a second referendum on the deal), the choice could be between no deal and whatever the Conservatives "negotiate". "No deal" is such a bad alternative that people would be forced into accepting the least worst option.

The trouble is (a Galsworthy points out) it's like Shrodingers Cat. None of it makes sense, especially as people are still introducing fantasy solutions. Labour (and some others) keep claiming that the UK can have something similar to the Single Market an Customs Union, but it isn't an option. The EU has said emhatically that we can't have that - and I can't say I blame them.

Incidentally, I still don't know officially why the LDs abstained on McDonnell's amendment, but I've looked at the exact wording and my guess is because it includes pushing for something like the SM, but not the SM. The LDs' position is that we stay in the Single Market and that something like it is nonsense - I agree.

That's quite brilliant.
Why did Umunna try to split the party again? To actually have Farage and Hannan saying Corbyn's okay must make him wonder.

Interesting video by Mike Galsworthy (Scientists for EU), who goes through Umunna's amendment logically:

www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0zx4guR5ik

Corbyn talking about the rights to trade union representation, decent housing, fate of modern Britain with Tory austerity.
Social care crisis is a crisis made by this government.
People began to realise that we didn't have to go down the way of neocon economics.
The only magic money tree is on a tax haven island which doesn't allow trickle down.
NHS publically owned, publically run and those who work in it are publically employed.

We will fight for a Britain that has full workers rights, human rights and justice.

The age of imagination, to build a better society for our children and all those that come after us.

Evening Standard says more than 10,000.

To look at while we are waiting.

Corbyn is on his way.

My iPad won't let me open it. Bum

It's not. It's on this link, RT, I think.

skwawkbox.org/2017/07/01/live-link-to-notonedaymore-march/

dj which side is it on?

Even the BBC is saying it is a huge demonstration! That's a first

John McDonnell speaking now, about the rich and the bankers forcing austerity on the poor. A million and a quarter going to food banks last year.
Austerity has created the worst crisis since the second world war.

Frances O'Grady got a brilliant reception - get rid of zero hours contracts and low pay.
76% want council workers etc., to get a pay rise, including 68% of Tory voters.

Police have just been warned that Corbyn is on his way, with thousands more coming with him.

So you ignored my MP's views on foodbanks and poverty in the same paragraph? Like the MPs sitting opposite.
What a surprise.

By the way, her speech was picked up in lots of newspapers. She sounds an extremely caring person.

www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-40373395

This is her talking about rented housing.

In your ( and no doubt your pals) opinion ww

Yes rose and very condescending they were too.

You know very well durham that I was responding to your MP's view of the Parliament building and customs.

My left winger pals wouldn't be so crass, roses, as to say that taking rent from someone who has had her home burnt down is just a little thing, can easily be remedied, etc.
They wouldn't condescend to young MPs.

You could both start an argument in an empty room. And probably do!

I bet she read it in the Times.

How on earth do you know what work I have done durham you and ww are simply jumping on the bandwagon , would your comments have been the same to a left winger pal of yours on here, hmmmm? You are both so obvious.

You can't help yourself can you * rose*? Just re-read what you have posted

Oh, do give over ww ...... I have just been reading an article about how daunting it is to new MP's ( of all ages) but if you are younger and not used to anything that could be described as 'elite' then doubly so.