Momentum are getting stronger

Yes, have a go at me as usual durhamjen!

What are you on about? (to copy a response I learnt from dj)

Primrose and I exchanged pleasantries about farming collectives, hoarded tinned food and scratching a living from the dust with no chance of producing anything to sell so as to buy anything we can't grow. That was after it was claimed that growing sugar-beet would add nothing to the nation's nutrition.

That was turned into "We will all be starving", and posts thought subsistence farming was being claimed as good, and want us to name who draws the short straw to go without. What kind of logic produces these non-sequiteurs?

Here is some news - cash crops DO add to nutrition, though not directly. Exporting one thing lets you buy something else. One exporting industry seeing light at the end of the tunnel is good. More industries seeing more light wouild be better, and a joined-up policy of encouraging and helping those industries into an unknown future would be better still.

A joined up policy would have been not to have got into this bloomin' mess in the first place [imo]]]]]

It certainly does. except that it can hardly be said to contribute to the nation's nutrition
But I did need it for my jelly; stocking the store cupboard just in case and wondering whether or not to fill the freezers in case the electricity goes off too.

Bread and home-made jam was a staple during WW2 apparently, according to DM.

Well, we could have a joined-up policy and everything in place for a smooth transfer - if we are allowed to set it all up ready to sign and no-one starts playing silly buggers, excuse the language please.
However, silly buggers could be the order of the day to deter anyone else in the EU thinking of taking the same path.

Well, we are in it. When you are in the quicksand it doesn't really matter who misread the map, the priority is to get the hell out of it.

Preserving fruit takes sugar, Jalima. One of the best uses for it.

I know elegran I sharpened my degree on that sort of knowledge.

But you mentioned subsistence farming as if it would fill the gap once leaving the EU and I just hinted that perhaps that wasn't such a good wheeze.

You don't seem to be considering how we will achieve the export of these " cash crops" although strictly speaking it isn't but I'm happy to go along with that description.

I will send you some beetroot, parsnips, beans and peas etc djen; tomatoes too and lots of courgettes if you like.

I can't supply tofu though.
Bramble jelly?

I can't see any evidence of the EU playing silly buggers

There is a lot of doom-mongering going on, which achieves nothging. We effing NEED optimism. Without optimism we have had it. The more wailing there is about disaster, the more discouraged everyone gets until we might just as well pull out the bathplug under the country and let it sink without trace.

I don't mean sticking our heads in the sand and saying "Problems? I see no problems." I mean seeing the problems and believing that we can find ways to solve them.

We need to believe that we can come to acceptable terms with the EU. renegotiate all those trade deals with non-EU countries that we took for granted and will be torn up, re-establish neglected trade routes and take our place as sole trader instead of part of a partnership. We need to believe that employers and employees can deal fairly with one another and that education and medicine are important.

Not that we are going to hell in a handcart. Because if we believe it, that is what will happen.

WW My reference to subsistence farming was a response taking Primrose's tongue-in-cheek farming collective to another tongue-in-cheek level. I should have known that someone would take it as either a serious suggestion or an unpardonable levity at the expense of those whose farming is to keep thgem alive. It was neither.

What degree was that, whitewave?

We do not need to go down this destructive route. Only 37% of the electorate voted for brexit in an advisory referendum. Many of these folk now realise that they were misled by lies. The madness of brexit could and should be stopped.

Elegran your post @ 20.34.
My thoughts and beliefs, exactly.

But Elegran; if I remember right you actually posted, prior to the referendum, many of the problems that a brexit vote would result in and are now happening. So I don't understand why you're not angry, along with so many of us with the way the country is going to hell in a handcart and no one seems capable of stopping it? My apologies if my memory is at fault.

Being angry won't fix it, though, will it? Being angry with the person who led you into the quicksand wouldn't get you out of it any faster, it would just use up valuable energy. You'd have to think how to move carefully and in which direction, and how to get solid ground under your feet. That takes more than anger.

So I don't understand why you're not angry, along with so many of us with the way the country is going to hell in a handcart and no one seems capable of stopping it?

no-one seems capable of stopping it Quote

So is anger a constructive or destructive emotion? Will it change anything?
Will it make you stressed and ill?

Possibly

You can think as positively and brightly as you like but the other EU countries will be laughing their hats off. Paris is already trying to take the financial sector from London, who know what other shenanigans are going on?

And acting miserable will stop any of that?

Perhaps thinking ahead might help, rather than going around saying everything is wonderful .If you don't acknowledge there is problem you can't tackle it.

I heard some British MP (possibly even the Mogg himself, but I can't actually remember) saying that competition with France for the UK to keep the financial sector in London is to be welcomed because it keeps us on our toes making solutions to problems. Momopoly is never a good thing.

Seems to me that approach is healthy and robust and in the spirit of elegran's 20:34 post.

MoNoploy

Oh bother it!

Who is going round saying it is wonderful?

But getting really angry about things which you are not in charge of it self-destructive and not good for health.
Unless some of you are on the negotiating team and planning how to tackle it, even then anger is not the best way to solve problems.

Did I say everything is wonderful? I said "I don't mean sticking our heads in the sand and saying "Problems? I see no problems." I mean seeing the problems and believing that we can find ways to solve them."