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Anniebach Fri 07-Jul-17 10:28:05

Luciana Berger who is chair of the Jewish Labour Movement was re-elected in Liverpool with a majority of nearly 33,000

Momentum activists took nine of ten positions in the LP, one new official has said Berger is now answerable to us!

I thought an MP was answerable to her constituency

GracesGranMK2 Mon 17-Jul-17 08:57:39

Chat about ducks seems to have replaced the pictures of kittens. Now is this whatifery of goadfery? (I am not a Mumsnet aficionado I'm afraid) It is certainly a level of rudeness that decides other people's views and discussion can be treated with any degree of disrespect and mockery. Perhaps we should just call it the good old fashioned words - anti-democratic and an attempt to repress.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 23:12:43

I thought you said you were going to look for interesting stuff about Rees-Mogg, bags.
I didn't think you meant Moggmentum.

Eloethan Sun 16-Jul-17 23:04:01

As I half expected Baggs, you haven't the courtesy to explain what the little film meant. When your veneer of affability wears off, you resort to a mixture of sniggering and spite rather than addressing any of the points I or trish have made.

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 22:05:13

??? ?

rosesarered Sun 16-Jul-17 21:47:56

Hey Baggs... got any grapes? Quack! grin

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 21:36:23

You said you hoped I'd post stuff on here that I found on Moggmentum. Here's something to listen to.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 21:20:03

"Moggmentum is supposed to be a response to Labour campaigners’ superior social media presence. It even calls for Rees-Mogg to be Tory leader."

Praise for Labour. Should please you, bags, being a strong Labour supporter.

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 21:17:23

I already follow "@Maomentum". That's rather fun.

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 21:16:38

But you must have had a grin bags

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 21:14:31

I've just been chacking it out while you were posting, ww. I might follow it for a bit and see. I don't think it is RM himself. It describes the account as "A grassroots movement to get Jacob Rees-Mogg into number 10".

There is another Twitter persona that might be the man himself but it hasn't got a blue tick yet.

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 21:13:21

I hope you will post what you find on here for us, bags.
I like a laugh.
Lord Snooty, do you mean, whitewave?

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 21:07:32

I think it's hilarious

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 21:07:16

Don't you think Mogg men tum is interesting bags?

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 21:04:33

Wonder away, eloethan. I get it and that's the important thing. I suspect that anniebach gets where I'm coming from too.

trisher, good point. I'll keep a look out for interesting stuff about JRM that isn't a harangue from another gransnetter (I don't mean you).

whitewave Sun 16-Jul-17 20:31:53

Apparently he has a twitter account trying to attract the young it's called MoggMentum grin last time I looked he had 2k followers. grin probably his children. I can just imagine the sort though. Do remember that cartoon character in the BEANO he reminds me do much of him.

Eloethan Sun 16-Jul-17 20:27:48

That was to Baggs by the way.

Eloethan Sun 16-Jul-17 20:26:42

Since you profess to care so much about the Labour Party, I still can't help but wonder why you spend so much time on here criticising it.

I did not "muck rake" about Rees-Mogg. I referred to an event that happened and which was the subject of an article in The Independent.

If you wonder why Rees-Mogg is of interest to me and other Labour Party members, perhaps this coverage from the somersetlive website will enlighten you (and there are plenty of similar comments in the national press too):

"The past few weeks has seen North East Somerset MP Jacob Rees-Mogg become a social media celebrity.

"It has been an extraordinary month or so for the Conservative politician, with his Instagram and Facebook accounts gaining thousands of followers .......

"With the mood of the nation turning against Prime Minister Theresa May's leadership, the odds have been slashed on Mr Rees-Mogg taking over the reigns [sic] in Government. "

If there is any possibility that this man might be deemed a suitable candidate for Prime Minister, it is important that people are aware of what he actually believes in, which is quite evident from his voting record. His eccentricity and olde worlde persona do seem to bring him some novelty value. People tend to like a bit of a "character", and not to see their more unpleasant characteristics and beliefs (I am sure that, had Boris Johnson not been "a character/bit of a laugh" his abysmal performance as Mayor of London would have led him to fall by the wayside a long time ago.)

There are plenty of Conservatives on here who are more than willing to throw muck at the Labour Party, Corbyn, Momentum, et al, and deride their every move, and - unlike you - I don't feel the need to join them. I prefer to back a party that wants to call a halt to the policies that have brought the NHS to its knees, severely damaged every area of educational provision, starved our local authorities of cash and so prevented them from providing vital services like day centres for the elderly and Meals on Wheels, voted against any measures that prevent the exploitation of tenants, and generally acted for the benefit of the privileged at the expense of nearly everybody else.

As Anoosh Chakelian said in the New Statesman:

"Rees-Mogg’s voting record, and which bills he chooses to filibuster, undermine his persona as a loveable toff. He voted against same-sex marriage, has talked out bills to scrap the bedroom tax, teach first aid in schools, and others, voiced support for Donald Trump, and called for his party to collaborate with Ukip."

I really don't understand the little film you posted. Perhaps you'd like to explain it to me, or - if you decline - perhaps someone else could.

trisher Sun 16-Jul-17 12:27:57

Actually Baggs I think it is important to know about people like JRM because the policies he holds dear are at the heart of Conservatism and always have been. If you don't know your enemy you can't hope to defeat them. As for the Labour Party, if you regard Momentum as the "bad' side of it you are effectively disagreeing with all the young people who came out to vote in force for Labour at the last election and who see Labour as a real source of hope. That is socialist Labour as dj said. I have said before it is impossible to occupy the middle ground it has been firmly taken over by the voice of the Conservative party (although their actions might differ). Offering real hope and opportunity in the shape of socialist policies is the way forward, fear of those policies is an idea implanted by the right wing and needs to be questioned. There is an awful lot of speculation and hype about what Momentum might be up to but very little real evidence, and an awful lot of right wing propaganda in newspapers.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 11:50:46

Don't think anyone needs to 'rake around' to find stories about Tories; the papers are full of them at the moment as they fight like a bag of cats.

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 11:05:12

I'm the duck. People who take it upon themselves to tell me what I think are the lemonade stall man, except they never seem to do the friendly bit ???

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 11:03:27

m.youtube.com/watch?v=MtN1YnoL46Q

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 10:28:49

I don't think Eloethan needs to rake around. She has told us often enough that she is a member, I think.

I don't see your posts as caring at all about the Labour Party, as much as about your dislike of Corbyn.
I dislike Tories; you dislike real socialist Labour.

Baggs Sun 16-Jul-17 10:24:14

I'm not trying to demonstrate my political neutrality, elo. I'm just not interested enough in people like JRM to be bothered with raking up muck (true or not) about them. As I said, I knew bugger all about him before this thread and I intend not to think about him much in the future. Waste of brain space.

In contrast, I care very much about the Labour Party, about what and who is/are driving it, so I'm critical of what I see as its bad side, like quite a lot of other lifelong Labour voters and even Labour MPs, I think you'd find if you could be arsed to rake around as much as you seem to about Tories.

You have a different point of view from mine is all it boils down to so kindly keep your judgmentalism about me to yourself. Actually, I'm quite flattered that you've even rubbed two brain cells together with regard to my political views. Why do you care enough to keep analysing and going on about "what they must be" according to Eloethan? ???

Rigby46 Sun 16-Jul-17 09:54:05

It would never happen even the Tories aren't that hell bent on self destruction

durhamjen Sun 16-Jul-17 09:38:35

If Rees-Mogg is elected leader of the Tory party, what does that say about Tory voters as a whole? What does it say about UK society as a whole?
We will be even more of a laughing stock than we are already.