What should be done about Public Sector pay?

Well exactly dj that's why it's so complicated.

Which shows how ridiculous Hammond's statement about public versus private pay was, Rigby.
Anything my grandson doesn't understand he calls complicated. I can hear him saying it now.

Devongirl, roughly 5% on the higher level. I did a quick calculation of info on the web and the average salary of all staff in that particular council is £32K, which I would say is pretty good. People don't leave very often. Pension would depend on final salary and of course the years of service. You can only get out as a percentage of what you pay in.

For 28 years, I have worked my socks off.
I chose Nursing because I wanted to make a difference. I wanted to look after people and make them better.
I have been kicked, punched and sworn at. I have gone home to my partner who has mopped up my tears because he understands.
To all of you that think that the Public Pay Sector do not justify their wages, then please, swap sides with me.
Maybe a black eye will make you think different.

Telly obviously I can't check much of the figures you gave but you are completely wrong about the pension contributions so I don't hold out much hope for the rest of your information. I do wish posters wouldn't do this - It's easy enough to check. I expect someone will be along to say you are entitled to your opinion

Rigby46
Well I am in receipt of a PS pension and that is how mine was calculated!

Rigby46 The average salary was calculated by published annual salary bill divided by FT employees, not 100% but a rough indicator.

You said it was 6% pension contribution - not true now. We are talking about now. Re the salary bill, did that include employers NI and pension contribution? Was it actual salaries or salary bands. If the latter, how wide were they?

As for pay there is no general rule. Some in both public and private sectors do well and others do not.
That is so true Cindersdad

Management in the NHS, senior executives in local government, some head teachers etc all seem to be doing very nicely, earning far more than the PM in many instances whilst those who are suffering and being penalised are those on the lower pay scales who are carrying out the most essential jobs.

How are companies like G4S running prisons counted - public or private? They are counted as private pensions djen, contributory and stock-market based - presumably they do have a pension scheme and people do join it!

But a lot of employees of G4S whose jobs were previously public sector are low paid - now they aren't counted as public sector, it helps bring up the average salary for public sector workers - along with out sourced cleaners, porters etc That's why it's so complex really understanding what's going on

Why is the PMs salary a bench mark of anything? For one thing, they are provided with free housing -DC made a pretty penny renting out his Notting Hill House. But even without that, it's a nonsense comparison.

I think you will find that most small manufacturing businesses rely on big business for their work so I really can't see how taxing a bigger business at 26% would do anything than stop investment and/or encourage them to move abroad. Talk about biting the hand that feeds. The man is a complete idiot. Does he want to see Nissan move to France (I am confident Renault would be happy to move as soon as possible) and other big manufacturers would be hot on their heels.

If you read my post again dj you will note I said "one of the biggest" (council taxes) not the biggest. Really.

Actually, I was answering djen who asked about private firms running public services and their pension schemes.

I have no idea why you think it's a nonsense comparing running a country with running a school - and why it is odd that a head teacher should be paid more than a prime minister.

Not one of the top ten, though gillybob.

The boss of G4S got £4.8 million in pay and bonuses.
I bet that brought the average up in the company.

Actually, Jalima, I was asking about pay, not pensions.
If G4S employees are counted as public sector pay, they will have to have paid into pensions all their working lives. If they are counted as private, they will not have been paying superannuation, but might or might not have taken out private pensions.
So the money they have left after deductions could be different.

. Does he want to see Nissan move to France (I am confident Renault would be happy to move as soon as possible) and other big manufacturers would be hot on their heels.

As France has a corporate tax rate of 33% I think it's highly unlikely.

Though,of course, Brexit may have other disadvantages which would cause Nissan to move out of the UK.

1974 cookie-there are LOADS of us who are so grateful you went into nursing. My dear sister was a nurse and endured the same as you. It truly is a vocation but you should not be taken for granted as you are.
DH has had a lot of health problems this year and we have really appreciated all medical staff-THANK YOU.
I realise that doesn't pay your bills though and you should be remunerated properly.

At least RBS are classified as public sector, which is something I didn't know until I looked at this

www.ons.gov.uk/employmentandlabourmarket/peopleinwork/publicsectorpersonnel/bulletins/publicsectoremployment/mar2017

I am confident there would be plenty of incentives for them to do so MazieD although admittedly the productivity would probably dwindle.

I know a few large volume manufacturers who are already moving some of their production lines out of the UK . Surely we should be lowering corporation taxes to encourage them to stay here.

Oh, I see. It depends if the firm was running a scheme into which they and the firm paid. It would in all probably not be a final salary scheme anywy.

We are already the lowest in the G20 and supposedly going lower by 2020/21.
It is obviously not encouraging them to stay here if you already know companies moving, so corporation tax is not the pull factor that the Tories think it is.

www.ft.com/content/ca3e5bd2-2a7e-11e7-9ec8-168383da43b7

It's working well. FT April 2017
UK corporation tax receipts surged to a record high during the past financial year despite the main rate falling from 30 per cent in 2008 to 19 per cent today.
Official public finance data, published on Tuesday, found the UK government had raised £56bn from corporation tax during the 2016-17 financial year, a 21 per cent increase from the previous year.

Can't read FT links.
However, what it shows is that companies are paying their corporation tax these days rather than trying to avoid it.