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What should be done about Public Sector pay?

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GracesGranMK2 Sun 16-Jul-17 18:09:49

I think my second question would be - just who gets public sector pay these days with outsourcing, etc.

whitewave Fri 28-Jul-17 15:13:48

Signed

Primrose65 Fri 28-Jul-17 15:14:11

I simply want more information, to have an informed opinion.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 15:15:20

www.recruiter.co.uk/news/2017/07/staffline-confirms-nhs-professionals-bid

www.recruiter.co.uk/news/2017/07/labour-accuses-government-pushing-through-nhsp-deal-behind-closed-doors%E2%80%99

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 15:18:43

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/michael-thorne/most-foolish-nhs-privatisation-yet

Primrose65 Fri 28-Jul-17 15:22:04

But none of them answers the question dj They all just say how outrageous it is, not why more than 75% of trusts do not use it.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 15:22:52

www.parliament.uk/edm/2017-19/152

EDM for your MP to sign. If you look at the list you can find out if s/he has done so already.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 15:24:41

Have you read all the links in the opendemocracy link, primrose?
If so, you are a fast reader.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 15:26:44

84% of us want a publicly run NHS. This is part of it.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 15:29:25

You obviously haven't even read the whole of the opendemocracy link, if you think it doesn't answer the question.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 15:31:17

www.opendemocracy.net/ournhs/jos-bell/tory-links-of-health-agencies-exposed-as-hunt-lines-up-next-nhs-selloff-in-england

Links to Tory MPs. Who would have thought it?
That was the last time they tried to sell it off in 2014.

trisher Fri 28-Jul-17 15:46:00

Primrose65 I don't think you can blame the doctors because trusts are using other agencies apart from the NHS one. As someone who worked as a supply teacher when supply agencies first began taking on contracts and moving work away from LEAs I would imagine the situation is similar. Private companies are aggressive and resourceful in their attempts to gain customers. They offer discounts, tie in deals that mean they maintain clients and many other inducements. They are often active rather than re-active. So usually a trust would call an agency because they needed staff, private companies will have staff ringing on a chance that help may be needed. Doctors may be registered with one or more agencies and so will accept any offer. As with teaching supply this will be very profitable. One agency I signed up with originally had a small rather dingy office, it now has a 2 large office/shops, all very plush. LEAs of course no longer deal with supply teachers.

Primrose65 Fri 28-Jul-17 17:11:41

I'm not blaming anyone, just trying to see if anyone knows why the in house agency is so poorly utilised.

durhamjen Fri 28-Jul-17 17:16:40

Because other agencies are aggressive, as trisher said. They need to make a profit for their shareholders.

Why is it not more important to you that NHSP saves the NHS £70 million a year?

Jalima1108 Fri 28-Jul-17 20:31:05

NHS staff also work for the agencies when they have time off.

(someone may have said that already)