Nigel Farrage where is he now?

I am still wondering what illogical response there could be to Farage taking his £84,000 per annum MEP salary while not attending. Surely no-one is going to post to say what a great job he has been doing assiduously collecting the dosh and working hard at spending it?

How many women would make that remark to a man who was married to someone they were officially visiting?
Good point, suzied. Trump is in a class of his own among political leaders.

Trump and his general inapprpropriateness aside, is it always sexist to say someone, anyone, is in good shape? If a woman said it to a woman would it be sexist? Or if a man said it to a man, or a woman to a man?

I bet Macron wouldn't be married to Brigitte if she weren't in good shape. Just saying.

You can't separate his comment from the context - of course it wouldn't always be sexist but in this case it was sexist, creepy, disgusting, inappropriate - yuk - he makes my skin crawl.

In the light of all of the taped comments he's made about women, any comment he makes about a woman's appearance makes me uneasy ...

Basically, he's a dirty old man ( sorry for bring agist and sexist) - do you remember the comment he made about his own daughter - that if he wasn't her father, he'd fancy her because she was so 'hot'. Yuk, I need a shower just thinking about him.

My point is that you can separate a comment from a particular context to ascertain whether it is intrinsically sexist (or racist, or anythingist, or not as the case may be) and I think that is important in general terms.

I agree that the comment Trump made to Brigitte Macron was inappropriate and sexist in the circumstances. I don't agree that the same comment would be inappropriate, sexist or creepy in all circumstances. That's all I was getting at. I'm not sure I'd ever think that particular comment disgusting.

Are we talking about Trump now, not Farage?

Yes, Trump's remarks made me feel queasy, and in fact Brigitte Macron did not look in good shape that I could tell. However, Melania did look very classy when she was in Paris.

I thought that Trump was going to offer Farage a job? What happened? Or is it too difficult to combine being a full-time MEP with living across the pond?

Apart from that, I think maddyone's posts are the most reasoned, particularly as she says she voted remain.

Yes Day6 I recognise it and I can't be bothered with it anymore. Goodnight everyone for you all.

Don't know how it got round to being a discussion about Trump, apart from Farage toadying up to him in that gold lift when he kept banging on about being a common man and not one of the elite.

If Trump's a dirty old man, why isn't Brigitte a dirty old woman for grooming a 15 year old boy when she was his teacher and 40 years old, in the UK she would have been sacked and investigated by the police. Double standards by some when it suits their agenda I think.

You are quite right about what would have happened in the UK re their affair. However, I fail to see how that fact takes away from the utter inappropriateness of DT's remark - what a very poor argument to suit your own agenda.

I've no agenda just stating the facts as I see them.

Everyone doesn't have to have an agenda, conscious or unconscious, for everything they say on every subject.

Perhaps not but most Labour lefties on GN do.

As do most Tory and Ukip right wingers

ninny suzied Those who are obsessed with their own "right" way of looking at everything (by which I mean "correct", not just politically "right") always have an agenda of emphasising it at all possible opportunities while condemning any mention of another view as an "agenda". They are also inclined to over-value their own contribution to the enlightenment of lesser mortals.

This is true in religous, moral, dietary, and educational matters, as well as in politics.

No but most do have an agenda on GN you only have to read the political posts and its mostly the Labour supporters taking every opportunity to slag of the PM, Farage and Trump.

rigby, what made you come to the conclusion that what ninny said might be "taking away" anything from the fact of the inappropriateness of Trump's remark to BM? I think you might have read more into what she said than was there.

I agree, elegran.

*Rigby has fallen into the logical fallacy of assuming that "X is as bad as Y" = "Y is not bad", instead of "X is as bad as Y" = "Y is bad and X is bad too".

ninny; I'd like to point out that, yes, I am a Labour voter but have often come close to voting LibDem and had intended to at the election to thank them for their stance on brexit; however I then voted tactically because I was so afraid of this government having powers to make this country unrecognisable [something that still might happen if the great repeal bill goes through; so much for democracy, eh ]. I am in no way to the left of the party and have a distrust of Corbyn, but greatly admire him for the way he stands by his ideals [to my knowledge he has always voted on the right side of every issue throughout his political career, something that can't be said of many politicians] and defends those that can't defend themselves. If I agree with things that the so called 'lefties' say it's because I do actually agree with them; I would also support anything that the Conservatives did if I felt it deserved my support; alas, I can't remember the last time that happened other than being pleased by some things offered by them at election time which were then withdrawn once they regained power. So it pains me to constantly see sneering remarks from people such as yourself who assume that people on the left of politics think themselves above people who vote differently. I also don't understand how people can vote remain one day and then quite happily say 'oh well, lets just move on shall we'. What is wrong with feeling so strongly about something that you want to keep fighting for that cause? EU sceptics did that for years, didn't they, and they would still be fighting to leave now had the vote not gone their way. The leave vote is likely to cause so many problems to people in Ireland and, yes, I do believe that many leave voters didn't give a thought about anyone else. On the subject of the Macrons, I believe she did discourage him but he was the one who was determined that they would one day be together because he recognised that they were soul mates. This in no way means that Trumps remarks about women are acceptable.

And F a r r a g e = feathers ones own nest whilst pretending not too ?

Ohhps To not too

Well said, Tegan.
Anyone would think that nobody on Gransnet ever criticised Corbyn, McDonnell or other Labour MPs.

Right wingers think that the left wingers are the ones with a slanted agenda and take every opportunity to criticise the government, Farage etc. Left wingers think the right wingers have a slanted agenda and take every opportunity to criticise, Corbyn, McDonnell etc. Right wingers think the left do it more and vice versa. Twas ever thus.