I Will Deal With It

The man in question knows nothing about it!
Yet here you are accusing a poster ( Father ) trisher disgraceful.

Of course it was wrong of me to accuse your parents of fraud Smileless2012! So perhaps you now know at least something of how the man, whose name you don't know, and have no evidence on which to base your claims of fraud, feels.
It isn't pleasant is it to be accused of something is it?

Hear hear Smileless
Time to let all the pointless outrage from posters( about one comment) go.
Nobody should accuse a posters family of anything either, way too personal.

anonnodominiyour post sums up exactly the situation that my mother was in. My mother's income on which my brother's grant was assessed was rather small, hence the grant being granted.

My father has many faults trisher but "wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in personal or financial gain wasn't one of them".

The only thing he gained personally and financially by refusing to provide financial support to my brother was more money for himself. When he later found out that my brother had qualified as a solicitor he probably bragged about it and omitted to say it was in spite of him.

As in annodomini's case "no fraud was involved as only the custodial parent was obliged to declare income". So my claim, as you put it that my father wasn't hiding assets is irrelevant.

You took such offence at the example I gave of someone I believed to be committing benefit fraud, some one whose name I didn't know and yet here you are, accusing my father, some one whose name you don't know of committing fraud.

I agree with Primrose it's time to move on but if you really want to continue to bait me trisher you're going to have to do better than that.

I was a divorced mum when DS2 went to University. As the custodial parent, his grant was assessed on my income, rather than his father's. Jointly we could well have afforded to support him and his income was sufficient for DS2 to get a much reduced grant. No fraud was involved as only the custodial parent was obliged to declare income. Having said that, my ex did make informal contributions to DS's 'drinking and clubbing funds'.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_left-wing_publications_in_the_United_Kingdom

OK Jen. Just let me know which ones are the right shade of red.

Trisher I think you are confusing a moral obligation of an absent father with their legal obligations many years ago.
It could be defamatory to write fraud accusations without knowing the detail of the situation, which is unlikely to be shared on a public forum.
I think it's time to move on now ......

New Statesman labour supporting press?

"Cowley has consciously commissioned new writers wanting the magazine "to be read by people who weren’t on the left as well as people interested in progressive politics and the Labour Party". Under Cowley, the magazine was hostile to Labour leaders Ed Miliband and Jeremy Corbyn.[15] A few months before the 2017 election, Cowley wrote of the Labour opposition, describing Corbyn's party as "fatally divided" and commented that Conservative MPs "feel no pressure from" Labour and "that there is no opposition".[16]

Two days before the 2017 general election, Cowley forecast that the Labour Party would suffer "a shattering defeat under Jeremy Corbyn".[17] However shortly after polling stations closed, the exit poll predicted a hung parliament. At an NS party, Cowley was reported as having said: "Have we been too hard on Corbynism?" "

Very supportive.

Smileless2012 there seems to be some discrepancy in your posts. First you say your father could have afforded to pay more but didn't, so your brother got a grant, then you claim your father wasn't hiding assets. But student grants were assessed on income and if your father could have paid more, morally he should have done so. A definition of Fraud as you seem to think it wasn't-
"wrongful or criminal deception intended to result in financial or personal gain."
It was certainly wrongful deception and it resulted in financial gain.

And she's a director of the Universities Superannuation Scheme Pension fund.
Posh biscuits and pension panics together at last.

According to the news on now on BBC the deficit is 17 to 19 billion

Putting in a claim for a packet of biscuits; you couldn't make it up could you.

I wonder how the students at Bath university would feel about paying more fees now that they know their Vice Chancellor earns £400,000 a year, lives rent free in a Georgian property, claimed £20,000 in expenses last year, included in that was £2 for a packet of biscuits.

PS personally I don't have a problem with 1 and 2 but don't support 3.

This is interesting, (Radio 4 news at 17.00) apparently there's a 9 billion black hole in University educators pension which can only be filled by 3 approaches.

1. The educators pay a lot more into their pension pots

2. Rich university benefactors pay a lot more into the universities to cover the shortfall

3. Student loans are increased to cover the shortfall.

I wonder how JC will deal with thisif he ever becomes PM; heaven forbid.

As some tv 'star' said
'It's so difficult to get on when your parents are in the business'
LOL

Can't remember exactly which dynasty she was from now, there are so many.

Now let's not get accused of being sexist roses; jobs for the girls as well no doubt

Jobs for the boys all round hey?

Nepotism is so rife in the Labour Party, the Labour supporting press writes about it
www.newstatesman.com/politics/2014/06/what-labour-s-red-princes-tell-us-about-britain

Seb Corbyn
Will Straw
Stephen Kinnock
David Prescott
Joe Dromey

"their offspring enjoyed affluent upbringings and effortless transitions from Oxbridge into high-flying jobs. What does this tell us about the state of the Labour Party "

Can you see now why the video is ironic and a blog post saying it's Tory policy simply isn't?

I bet Thornberry's husband could help with a definition of fraud.

Poor old Seb with his Cambridge degree. Worthless. Just as well Daddie's mate could hand him a £48k a year job as a 'bag carrier' (New Statesman description)

Yes, student loans were a Tory policy, no one's saying it wasn't but saying the intention of that policy was to put poorer students into debt, which it does in your link dj is the opinion of the writer of the article.

Nepotism is alive and well right across all parties in politics, in the media and probably in all kinds of places that do not get the same publicity.

Who started the student loans company?
Who was PM in 1990?
Of course it was a Tory policy!

No trisher it wasn't fraud. My father wasn't hiding assets or making false declarations with regard to his income. He paid what he was required by too by law and nothing over that.

He wasn't a particularly good father which sadly isn't a criminal offence.

If you're going to continue to try and bait me with posts regarding fraud, perhaps you should find out what fraud actually means.

It supports the argument about the "Who you know network" but isn't it rather hypoctritical to criticise it on the one hand but take advantage of it on the other, especially when it's been taken advantage of by the son of the party's leader?

I don't agree that exchanging student grants for student loans with the intention of putting poorer students into debit was a Conservative policy. It may have been the unfortunate result but that doesn't mean it was the intention.

"My brother received a student grant. My parents were divorced so mum couldn't assist him financially and even though my father could well have afforded to give more than the bare minimum to my mum in child support, he chose not too and also opted out of any financial support whatsoever while my brother did his degree."
So basically your mum and dad split up and then your dad refused to support his son through University but relied upon a government grant to pay for him, isn't that equivalent to fraud? I hope you reported him and made sure he was prosecuted. You are keen to prevent fraud aren't you Smileless2012