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A divided society-what can be done?

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trisher Wed 02-Aug-17 09:35:46

As Newcastle gets £500000 ot fight right wing extremism
www.chroniclelive.co.uk/news/north-east-news/right-wing-edl-newcastle-racism-13402419
there is also news that the cities 2 universities are still attracting EU students and there are increasing numbers of students from the Middle and Far East coming here. Will the money really help? And what can be done to mend a fractured society? When I see the EDL demonstrating and yelling in a city centre crowded with all nationalities I can only see more trouble ahead. Can you educate people to understand the benefits these students bring?

petra Mon 07-Aug-17 13:42:12

Smileless
It will certainly put other landlords ( dirty word grin off from admitting they are filthy rich capitalists.

devongirl Mon 07-Aug-17 13:40:39

I think dj only meant this as an indicator that you are coming from this from an investor's perspective.

Smileless2012 Mon 07-Aug-17 13:35:45

petragrin. Perhaps dj thinks it's something I should have declared, along with all the other aspects of my personal life but I'm really not that interesting so don't wish to bore any of you.

petra Mon 07-Aug-17 13:24:58

Have you told us this before
Am I the only one thinking "ve haf vays of making you talk"
I couldn't help it grin

Smileless2012 Mon 07-Aug-17 12:23:02

Yes, not on this thread dj but the subject did come up on another but I don't remember which.

durhamjen Mon 07-Aug-17 11:50:29

Oh, so you're a landlord, Smileless.
Have you told us this before?

Smileless2012 Mon 07-Aug-17 11:03:13

It must be very disheartening for younger people to be unable to rent because of their age. Unfortunately some landlords take that decision because of problems they've had with younger tenants in the past, believing that older renters will respect and care for their property.

Having had the unfortunate experience of seeing a well presented property miss used on more than one occasion by younger tenants, we now go for a more mature tenant.

Jalima1108 Mon 07-Aug-17 10:29:50

The whole thread is about the homeless in a divided society.

Is it?

Actually, having re-read the OP before I read some of the latest posts I realised that I didn't quite understand the OP.

What are the divisions it is referring to - those of nationality, creed, rich students bringing money into the country -v- those home-grown students who will be saddles with debt, homeless/landlords/owners of empty houses or what?

The OP is asking if people can be educated to realise that rich overseas students bring benefits to the country. Will some of the benefits mean that their rich parents will be buying up property for them to live in then leaving it empty after their student children leave?

I am rather confused

Have you noticed they are the ones who do not want the NHS to be sold off, or US chickens and GM foods to be imported, Jalima?

No because many posters who may agree with one point or another such as not wanting American chickens to be imported/GM foods may disagree on another point.

Life would be much more simple if one could follow a particular party line on everything but many people can't.

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 22:31:28

Pathetic, petra.
The whole thread is about the homeless in a divided society.
You criticised when I said that 150 families are being made homeless every day.

petra Sun 06-Aug-17 22:25:31

durhamjen
You might not think it's fair but that's life. People are going through a lot worse, like the home less

Primrose65 Sun 06-Aug-17 22:16:43

Nope dj Abi Wilkinson is a sensationalist, I stopped reading anything she writes after her 100% inheritance tax fiasco piece.

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 22:02:09

My post about my granddaughter wasn't directed at you, Chewbacca. What was there in that post that made you think it was?

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 21:59:42

Primrose, I don't suppose you read the article about landlords not wanting to rent to under 35s?

Chewbacca Sun 06-Aug-17 21:59:09

No durham, I don't think that's fair. There's nothing, nothing at all, in my post that could possibly give you the impression that I think that leaving large properties empty for months or years at a time, whilst others are homeless is fair. Frankly, I'm perplexed as to how you arrived at your assumption.
You asked me why the enforced requistioning of such properties wouldn't work. If you'd read my post, you'd have seen that I gave my reasons for my opinion. I was generous enough to recognise your reasons for suggesting enforced compulsory purchasing. I still recognise that. But I stand by my opinion that no government will actually do it. It's not what you wanted to hear but there's nothing I can do about that durham. I hope your granddaughter gets her accommodation sorted soon.

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 21:58:11

What rubbish, Annie.

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 21:57:24

Just as I thought.
She wasn't buying on her own but with a friend.

Fortunately she doesn't live in London.

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/04/london-exodus-warning-uk-cities-culture

Primrose65 Sun 06-Aug-17 21:53:09

You should be pleased your granddaughter is in a position to buy durhamjen I'm sure she'll have loads of fun looking at properties. Buying your first place is an exciting time and sometimes you do lose out to other buyers, but it's not the end of the world!

Anniebach Sun 06-Aug-17 21:52:37

Disappointing for your granddaughter Jen, but it is the owners right to sell his property as he wishes. You do seem to be way past caring about people's legal rights

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 21:44:47

How many of you have under-35s having problems finding anywhere to rent?
My granddaughter has to find somewhere new because her landlord has decided to sell her flat to a property developer, because he owns lots of other flats in the complex.
She offered to buy it as soon as it went on the market, but he said it was less hassle to sell it to the developer.

I suppose you think that's fair, too.

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 21:41:43

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/01/britains-housing-market-landlords-tenants-under-35-profit

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 21:40:01

Why not?

Chewbacca Sun 06-Aug-17 21:06:20

durham, no matter how reasoned or well intentioned your arguments are for state enforced compulsory purchasing of unoccupied properties is; it just won't happen. No government, whether left, right or central leaning would ever want to be the ones to take the decision to compulsorarily impound the property of some Russian or Chinese oligarchs. If the owners of the huge, expensive, unoccupied properties are so vastly wealthy that they can afford to leave their properties lying vacant for years; they would simply take their investments and businesses elsewhere. No political party would want to risk it. So whilst I recognise that your vision for the future is an altruistic one, borne only for the benefit of those in need; it ain't gonna happen. No government would risk losing the vast amounts of money that foreign investors bring to the UK. Not even Jeremy Corbyn's if he ever got in the position of being able to make the decision .

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 20:53:19

"It is interesting that some of the posters who think requisitioning other people's property is quite in order are some of the same posters who think it is perfectly OK to requisition someone's private life to further a cause."

Have you noticed they are the ones who do not want the NHS to be sold off, or US chickens and GM foods to be imported, Jalima?

durhamjen Sun 06-Aug-17 20:35:07

Not all of them invaded. Some came as traders and stayed, intermarrying, ( how dare they?)

Jalima1108 Sun 06-Aug-17 20:18:08

anyone can call it immigration

I call it invasion (the Romans)
Anyway, veni, vidi, vici then left
Too cold and I don't blame them