The Truth Behind Traingate

Baggs I said if Annie was entitled to call me a communist I was entitled to call her a Conservative- If she's not a Conservative I'm not a communist. It really isn't right you know to allow name calling by one person but get incensed when someone else does the same.

I am the train guard lemongrove - following in family tradition!

And I did feel Corbyn's pain - the floor is hard and he doesn't have a huge bottom for padding.

No, I am ashamed to say that I have never been up there djen - perhaps I should. I will suggest it to DH and our train-mad friend who is renovating one somewhere down South.
(is that tmi?)

trisher
I think you'll find that the head of Southampton NHS trust earnt about £40,000 more than that gentleman in the same year.
And I would imagine that Richard Branson demands far more from his head honchos than our own department of health.

Branson certainly does have a lot of fingers in a lot of pies trisher , but it would appear that he does not own any railway stations especially the Durham one

Correction, I have not said X you are a communist, I have said and believe to follow Corbyn with such devotion and defend all his actions and beliefs with never a critcism does to me show someone who supports communist beliefs. Even Venezuela was defended because Corbyn admires that corrupt leader

That's basic salary petra there will no doubt be bonuses and dividends, something an NHS manager won't get. You never commented on the tax situation.
My grandfather was a communist Annie so I know what their beliefs are and I can tell you mine are not the same.

I do not have the authority to "allow" or disallow name-calling, trisher, nor do I want it. I was not aware that anyone had called you a communist. I commented on you calling someone a nonsensical name, given who she is.

It's nonsensical accuse people of being communists Baggs and it seemed that if general silliness was to be the theme I could do it as well. There aren't any communists on this thread, as I said I should know, my grandfather was one, but then he was a docker and lived through the 30s when work was dished out daily.

trisher
There's not much I can do about RBs tax arrangements.
As I've said, I never travel by train now but I have used his flights once.
The way I protest is more silent. I seem to be the only person on GN who doesn't use google, I never have.
I never buy from amazon, I only get the free books for my kindle.
There are others but you get my drift.

That' great petra but you wanted to know why people hate Branson I hope you appreciate it isn't to do with making money but of being ethical while you do it.

I agree that it's nonsensical to call people communists who aren't, trisher. I think perhaps you missed what I said, which was that I wasn't aware that anyone had called you a communist. So, obviously, even if I were able to "allow" it, I didn't allow it at all.

Saying that certain behaviours make people seem 'communistical' is not nonsensical. That is what I understand annie to be claiming she meant.

Your name-calling went further anyway. Even if the political terms are ditched, you were still name-calling in a very silly way.

Apart from a comment at the beginning of this thread, I haven't really engaged with this alleged debate because I knew it would be pointless.

It just comes down to I am more inclined to believe Corbyn than I am to believe Branson; and vice versa for other people.

I believe that the new footage corroborates at least some of what Corbyn originally said - and several people on the train also confirmed that it was very crowded and many people were sitting on the floor between carriages.

This thread, like so many others, has just become a procession of insinuations, insults and sneers (or what baggs chooses to refer to as "nuanced" discussion).
Most of the people who are jeering and sneering about Corbyn and those who support him do so because they support the Conservative Party - though there are a few who feign amused neutrality but who become very defensive when asked if they have any political allegiances. Those of us who have openly declared their support for the Labour Party are referred to as "hard left", "communists", etc. etc. When asked by whitewave to identify who these alleged communists are and what comments they have made to earn that title anniebach refused.

Baggs this was said
"just for some strange reason some with strong communist beliefs deny they support communism and want this country to become a communism run country. No idea why, it isn't illegal to hold these beliefs"
It is part of a long running diatribe that has been posted on many threads against left wingers and it is much more insulting than simply calling someone Conservative. I know what is professed by Annie but actually I would argue that Tony Blair was a Conservative as well and that many of the policies they both espouse are closer to Mrs May than anyone else.

Why any offence at being thought a communist ? Durhamjen said today

"how can you be against against communism and yet call yourself a socialist"

So why the denial ?

Why is it a dirty word for Durhamjen's corbinite supporters ? , is she wrong ?

Do you mind being called Conservative Annie?

Thank you for the information, trisher. Why is it deemed "much more insulting" to say one thinks someone supports communism than it is to call someone a Conservative with a capital C? Genuine question.

If you were to call me a conservative person I might just shrug and think you were wrong. If you were to call me a Conservative, I'd know you were wrong.
If you were to call me (or suggest that I might support) communism I'd also shrug and wonder what provoked that.

The thing is, annie has made her membership of the Labour Party a very well known fact so obviously she isn't a Conservative even if she could be a conservative Labour Party member (please note if and could).

I'm really interested to know why communism is regarded in a worse light than membership of the Tory Party (what Conservative with a capital C means).

Oh, and the Huns never got to Wales as far as I could make out. Atilla got as far as Gaul.

It's just a way of demonising left wing ideas Baggs we all know communist countries have failed and therefore it implies that all left wing ideas are doomed to fail. You are right to say it really doesn't matter but Annie's perpetual attacks sometimes get under your skin. You know Margaret Thatcher once called Tony Blair and New Labour her greatest achievement and I think perhaps Annie's Labour is that also.

It's just an excuse for them to nit pick, insult and keep gobbling up their need. I will await an explanation of Durhamjens judgement - how Can you be against communism yet call yourself a socialist. B

For me if you agree with this communist is not an insult, if you claim it is an insult then I suggest you tell Durhamjen she is wrong. Can't be both can it ?

Surely ideas stand on their own merit, not on the political party that promotes them.

Thanks for the explanation, trisher.

Trisher, communist countries have failed ? But Venezuela hasn't , mobile.twitter.com/jeremycorbyn/status/309065744954580992?lang=en

Surely ideas stand on their own merit, not on the political party that promotes them.

I think you're being disingenuous again, Primrose

According to Trisher I am a barbarous, destructive person . Well after that I feel free to call anyone a communist