Explosion on a tube train

I just don't get it Lillie do you? It's so sad that someone ( probably) born here would hate this country so much they are hell bent in killing innocent people. Why? To prove a point? To make themselves ( in the eyes of their twisted friends) heros ? Are they so easily brainwashed ? Are they even brainwashed at all ? Or just plain evil?

It is very sad gillybob, but it's impossible to get inside their heads to understand their reasons. You're right, there are multiple issues here.
Innocent people travelling to work or school are easy targets. My family takes the tube everyday and for a few days afterwards I feel anxious. BUT come Monday morning we won't give it much thought and will just get on with life. Unsettling times.

There is speculation in the media that the bomb was packed with screws, nails and ball bearings. The horror of that if it had exploded to full effect in such a small space is too hideous to contemplate. I keep wondering about the pregnant lady who went down in the rush to escape, with people apparently falling on top of her.

gilly I agree with your posts. However bad we might be, whatever wrongs we have been responsible for, how does it make it right for anyone else to commit a crime?

Apparently some of these 'Muslims' believe that if they kill for their cause and are killed as a result, they will have a wonderful afterlife. I am not aware of any religious teachings which ask their followers to kill innocent people.

It doesn't look as if he was born here. Hours after being arrested at Dover police raided a house in Surrey.
This house is owned by a couple who foster refugee children.

Well lets wait and see but If that's the case we will have to have a very close look at these refugee "children" we are taking in to give them a better life. Talk about biting the hand that feeds . It makes me sick to think about it .

Please don't go down the route of blaming refugee children on such flimsy evidence, that is really not good

I don't think Anyone is blaming all refugee "children"
BlueBelle but various news reports are saying that thIs particular person was a refugee and was fostered. The police have searched the house of the couple who took him in. He had been arrested only 2 weeks previous so it would seem that however premature the announcement Donald Trump was probably right

This news is certaintly going to cause more suspicion of refugees

Of course it is Anniebach .

I bet the poor couple who took him into their home are devestated.

It is so difficult to know if a refugee is a child or an adult which compounds the problem.

Unfortunately any mention of refugee children sets a lot of people off and the 'shut all the gates' daily mail type hate columns will love it
There are bad apples in every walk of life and I m sure statistics would show that for every hundred refugee children or refugees in general there will be one or two hell bent on destruction as in any group of people unfortunately in this day and age any reference sets people off without thinking it through and then there is even less willingness to share our lives with people in need

And this attack will strengthen the anti refugee/immigrant feelings , wrong I agree but it will , people are fearful

I think the will to murder and maim is hardly being 'a bad apple'.

The sad thing is I don't think many people will be surprised at this story .

I do feel sorry for Penelope and Ronald Jones who are a dedicated foster couple . How betrayed they must feel 'IF' the story is proven .

But it's the same question isn't it.
Why would somebody born here want to do it?
Why would a refugee want to do it?
I don't know if we can ever understand why, because it seems so unanswerable.

I know when I was 18 I was very naive and open to all sorts of daft ideas. Apologies to anyone who is a member (and I think they do a fantastic job), but I went to some sort of Salvation Army meeting and came close to signing up to something. I realise there is a huge difference between that and becoming a member of ISIS, but our minds are open to all sorts of things when we're young.

Ilovecheese
Why would a refugee want to do it
A genuine refugee wouldn't want to do it.

Totally agree petra the worrying thing is though, how can we tell the difference ?

I agree with Tegan . When we are that age we are vulnerable to the people we come across and if they are strong minded and seem to have all the answers it is easy to see how they can influence the young. The young often feel so sure about things but later, when they have more life experience, they become less sure. In cases such as this they may find out how wrong they are when it is far too late.

I feel very sorry for the parents of such young people who have tried to do the right thing but their child has been manipulated into bad behaviour. Those of you who don't know what I am talking about must have led very sheltered lives.

A genuine refugee would not want to do it, very true!
There were always going to be some IS inclined men who slipped through the net though.We won't have many of those, but Germany certainly will.

I did one or two silly things when I was 18 Tegan and Nonnie. Fortunately I didn't resort to making bombs and trying to kill or seriously injure several innocent people .

But gilly that might well have been because you were not exposed to such awful people. These days the young probably meet a much greater variety of people than any of us on this forum did. I think my parents probably knew almost everyone I did.

I'm sorry to disagree with you Nonnie but no matter who we are exposed to, deep down we all know the difference between right and wrong and the probable consequences of making and planting a bomb.

I truly pity the poor couple who opened their home and heart to what they considered to be a genuine young refugee in need .

Think we will have to disagree gilly because I have seen young people led astray, not to build bombs but definitely to do things they were not brought up to do. I think 'But for the grace of God' go I or mine. Just because my family haven't done anything terrible I don't feel it is just down to my parenting and I have huge sympathy for the parents of people who do go astray.

And me too Nonnie but I wouldn't call building and planting bombs "going astray" I would call it a deliberate act of sheer evil !