Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

If there was another vote (which there hasn't been) and if there was a Remain victory I could see the point of your comment Smileless2012 as there hasn't been and isn't likely to be, the only reply I can give is "If ifs and ands" as my mum always says.

I believe our crackpot foreign secretary had two speeches written at one time - one in favour of remain and one in favour of leave. He went with the one most likely(he thought) to give him the leadership if it won. He was wrong.

Guaranteed to lift the level of discussion as usual

Don't beat yourself up so much AB

Good article in the New Statesman by David Attenborough.

"Voting for Brexit is like spitting into each other's faces"

I can see that you didn't see the point of my comment trisher as you haven't answered my question.

What a revolting statement to make. I'd have thought David Attenborough would have had the ability to voice his disappointment that we are leaving the EU, without insulting the majority who voted to do so by accusing them of "spitting into each other's faces".

Well shall we deal with the whole concept Smileless? Firstly a democracy is a thing- "it" as you said so 'it' doesn't actually have a mind to change.
If what you mean is what would happen if there was a democratic vote in favour of remaining? I think I have answered that.
If you meant something else, perhaps you need to elaborate, or at least use language correctly.

smiless I am sure you understand that the phrase used was a metaphor.

Attenborough also went on to say that the referendum was an "abrogation of parliamentary democracy" because of lack of facts.
To my mind many are only just coming to light and so we couldn't possibly have voted with sufficient understanding.

I was also struck by his criticism of Gove comment "we have had enough of experts"
Attenborough argued "that's a cry from someone who doesn't understand what they are saying"
" that's when someone has told them something that they don't like, and which they probably don't understand"

Attenborough is alarmed at the rise of nationalism, and to my mind it has yet to be addressed by the more progressive political parties. The AFD is another example.

Liking what Naomi Klein has to say. Green + Labour, it sounds good to me.

I haven't got the tv on gg is she speaking at the conference? Or are you reading an article?

No, speaking whitewave, but finished now. I expect they will repeat it.

Oh I issued it. I expect it will be on you tube. Was it good?

Missed

Very good whitewave. I can't see if it will be repeated sadly.

I have just realised why I lean to the left politically! They only kiss on ONE cheek! No - is it one, two or three.

Is that the only reason, GracesGran?
Not that it matters - any reason is good enough.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/trump-naomi-klein-labour-conference-fatberg-political-equivalent-comments-a7968736.html

For those who missed her. Or it might put a horrible picture in your heads that you can't remove.

Not the only but it was very relaxing seeing no hit and miss.

This is brilliant.
Dennis Skinner telling a reporter that he's part of society.

evolvepolitics.com/watch-dennis-skinner-just-taught-pompous-journalist-lesson-never-forget-labour-conference/

I just love them. Yesterday, I saw John Prescott being interviewed by "she who must always sound really annoyed" - Jo Coburn - on the Daily Politics. He was giving an explanation in reply to her previous 'irritated' question when she interrupted and there is was - out of his mouth before he could think - "you buggers always ..." he did apologise but he was right, these interviewers think it's all about them when we want to hear what the interviewee has to say. As it was at the conference you could hear the giggling and laughing so she just had to get on with it. It made my lunch-time viewing.

My grandson always asks if anyone tells them to stop interrupting. He's started telling them to listen to the answers.

Poor John Prescott is really struggling to make ends meet on his £300 a day (tax free) for attending the House of Lords. Perhaps someone should tell him a lot of families don't get that to live on for a week.

Meanwhile back in the real world BBC political reporter Laura Kuenssberg has been assigned a body guard to protect her at the Labour Party Conference.

And JC would like to see us all back in the Stone Age. Let's hope and pray it is fake news (although I have my doubts) that he is about to announce a "robot tax" on companies who use technology to "replace" workers. I mean should we all be back in horse and carts? Have lines of men sweeping stretches of roads, thousands of slaves hauling rocks up tall buildings or a team of men patting Tarmac on the roads? How about women using rocks to wash at the riverside? Would that suit? I wonder.

www.telegraph.co.uk/news/politics/conservative/11769736/Peer-claims-300-a-day-in-expenses-to-walk-200-yards-to-work-at-House-of-Lords

Whereas JP's expenses cover travel, hotel and paying his secretary

You'd rather have rows of unemployed men and women, would you, gillybob, as in the depression years.
We've already had a repeat of the Jarrow marches under this government.

Are you going to replace your engineers with robots?