Voting for Jeremy Corbyn - the political equivalent of buying a Harley Davidson

There are few grown-ups in the Cabinet lemongrove, and those there are have little power. If you are supporting them attacking the LP will not change that. Attacking the LP is just deflection from the appalling government we have.

I think two more years of a May will continue to harm the country as the in fighting will continue. However, as there is no obvious successor to her, we are all up the creek as there will be no challenge to her. It will be interesting to hear what she says in Florence and then of course we have the Conferences to come

My last sentence should read that I can't see the latter happening, not can.
Absolutely, dbDB77

Did anyone listen to Vince Cable's speech yesterday? I found it very interesting.

maryeliza54 No obvious successor at the moment for the Leadership of either Party, but cometh the hour, cometh the man so it may be a waiting game.

I agree no obvious successor for either. Really good leaders should have a strong group around them who are potential leaders but both current leaders are presiding over disloyalty and disunity and that helps no one

Or not lemongrove - there is no guarantee.

I'll be surprised if May manages another 2 years. The powers that be (who chose her in the first place) are already scratching round for another stooge they can put up to make their unacceptable policies seem like proper management. They had Jacob Rees Mogg in mind but he put his foot in it with food banks, still if he keeps quiet they might reinstate him. Just needs the right character to sell, policies which target the poorest and weakest, and the sale of the NHS.

Every time JRM opens his mouth he puts his foot in it ?

They'll be advising him on what to say and when to say it, don't worry. Give him a couple of months and he'll be almost as user friendly as "Call me Dave".

Lemongrove, if Corbyn was to stand down tomorrow his successor has already been chosen.

Today's Labour List email informs members - whatever your view, it seems clear that Labour's left strengthened yesterday

The McDonald amendment will reduce the number of labour MP's needed to nominate a new leader , massively increasing the prospect of a left wing successor .

So it's all cut and dried, the hard left are now in control of the party.

Anyone seen the Mogg tweet saying how pleased he is about the latest car manufacturing results. Did anyone tell him that they are for 2015? Before the referendum.

I get the feeling he is enjoying his moment of fame and wouldn't worry about that whitewave.

He probably thinks it's 1915 anyway and when we leave the EU the British Empire will be restored to us.

I know Anniebach depressing isn't it?

Corbyn's successor has not been chosen, so what are you agreeing with, lemon?

Do you not think it important that all members get a chance to vote for his successor?
Of course, you are not bothered because you are not a member. All you want to do is cause disagreement between factions of the Labour party. It cheers you up, doesn't it?

I find it very strange that someone with a lifetime of activism has given up hope already even though Corbyn has only been leader for two years.

Well, I suppose that's the 'Corbyn effect' dj
Hopelessness

Same as Tory government and Brexit, primrose.
Quite hopeless, they are. I am surprised you still support them.

dj it's quite possible to not support the Tory government and dislike Corbyn!

That will be me too Primrose.

Same with my OH. He's been a labour member and union activist ( printing) all his working life.
But every time our local branch write to him for support in this or that he makes his dislike of Corbyn very clear.
It's not quiet on the level of his hatred for thatcher but not far off.

I am confused by the posters who have stated repeatedly on various threads they ' returned ' to Labour because of Corbyn but say they are not what is termed as being a ' Corbynista '. They will not hear of a bad word said against him nor allow others to have so much as an opposite opinion of him if it is not what they want to hear.

Would they have ' returned ' to Labour had say Liz Kendall won the leadership ?

Would they remain members of the Labour Party if Corbyn were not the leader but say Chuka Umuna? Probably not.

Why because their rhetoric has been they returned to Labour because they saw in Corbyn the ' return of the left ' of the Party and they felt engaged with Labour again.

Anniebach , as has been said so many times now, has always stated she was a Labour supporter but but oddly it is usually the ' return ' to Labour posters who least understand why she would prefer a different Leader.

I am also confused by posters who repeatedly say claim they 'no nothing of Momentum' yet have posted about Momentum on other threads . Why do that?

Some people returned to the party because Blair had left.

God only knows, POGS ?

DJ - I find it very strange that someone with a lifetime of activism has given up hope already even though Corbyn has only been leader for two years.

I don't find it strange at all. The Labour Party is now influenced by the hard left and has Marxist/Militant tendencies. There are lists of moderate Labour MPs that Momentum want to deselect. The hard left intends to seize control of the party.

It's worrying and for traditional, staunch Labour supporters the party has gone full circle in nature - from the awful Blair to the frightening Corbyn.

My friend, who will no longer vote Labour, calls Corbyn and McDonnell the Marx Brothers. She feels completely disenfranchised.