Moggmentum is getting stronger

Well said Baggs

I don't think I've ever used the word virtuous, have I , Baggs?
I have no idea what you mean.

Rees-Mogg's voting record.

www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/votes

He is my worst nightmare looking at his voting record.

He voted against EU nationals having the right to live and work in the UK.
Vindictive.
www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/divisions?policy=6764

He voted against laws to promote equality and human rights.

Petty and vindictive.
www.theyworkforyou.com/mp/24926/jacob_rees-mogg/north_east_somerset/divisions?policy=6703

Exactly, whitewave.
Lots more where those came from.

I agree with this statement as well.

"Mogg should be censured by the Speaker/Parliament in my view. His voting record seems to confirm that his role as an MP has been compromised by certain personal beliefs he holds. Not good in my view. He is being subjective about issues when in fact the art of good rule (management?) is to take a more balanced, objective view and deal with the realities of rape and sexual politics. The idea is to help people like rape victims and those who wish live together same sex or not. It should not be about being punitive.

To rule is to rule for everyone – including women who have been impregnated against their will and same-sex couples who wish to show their love and commitment to each other (and, why not?).

In giving his personal views (his judgements?) on the above, Mogg has negated these people – he is excluding them – not including them and thus rendering their needs lesser than others."

If you think that makes me seem virtuous, Baggs, then I'll accept that. I always thought that being virtuous was seen to be a good thing, not a criticism, as you seem to put it.

'Courteous and charming he might be but he comes over as more 'entitled' than intelligent and his politics are deeply unpleasant.'

MaizieD His personal and religious beliefs might be unpleasant - his politics aren't necessarily.

Just because you support Corbyn doesn't mean that everyone who thinks differently is 'deeply unpleasant'. It's a left wing smear campaign which brands anyone with political affiliations other than left wing ones, as 'nasty'.

Left wingers DO NOT have the monopoly on compassion.

Many are crude, loud, aggressive and violent as we saw in Manchester with their despicable "Hang the Tories" banner with effigies hanging by their necks from a bridge.

Give me the quaint, polite, witty, well-mannered Mogg any day. I do not share his personal beliefs but he is proving himself to be a politician streets ahead of the opposition in terms of dealing wonderfully with unnecessary vile and disturbing aggression - a recent and worrying phenomenon of UK politics.

Maizie said HIS politics are deeply unpleasant. They are.
Have you looked at his voting record?

Just because you support Corbyn

I think you're confusing me with someone else, Day6.

Day6, I think you should read your post again.
It sounds very much like a right wing smear campaign.

That "Hang the Tories" banner with the hanged dummies was vile. It's not right-wing to say that.

You will of course Baggs remember the Hang Mandela badges sported by Young Conservatives at a party conference.

www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/jacob-rees-mogg-abortion-pills-abortion-rape-conservative-party-conference-tory-leadership-leader-a7976386.html

The difference was those Tories meant it literally

I was spat at in a market town in Surrey by Conservatives when collecting signatures to free Mandela

No, I don't remember ever hearing of those before, meliza. I'll see if I can find what you are referring to.

And the momentum gang are only joking !

Every Tory I ever met , led by MT, was pro apartheid

And you know after he was freed you couldn't find a Tory who didn't say ( not believe) he was wonderful.

And don't get me started on Pinochet and MT's support for that murderous dictator.

How about gassing the chavs. Young tories, I believe...

But this is ridiculous. You cannot point to one example of bad behaviour and say that it is representative of a whole party. You can only start to draw that conclusion when the behaviour is common to many members.

I found something about "Hang Mandela" posters from the 1980s. I didn't know of their existence until a few minutes ago. If I had I daresay I'd have said they were vile too. I was teaching my young kids about why there were sanctions against South African produce during the 1980s and what apartheit meant, so effectively that DD1 exclaimed at the top of her shocked voice in Tesco's once: "That man is buying South African apples! ?"

Yes ab compared with those pro apartheid Tory vermin. Are you telling me Baggs that you didn't know that MT and the Tories were pro apartheid?

I called one example that someone else pointed at a representation of vileness. I'll stand by that. My point was that it wasn't right-wing to say it was vile, just as it isn't left-wing to say vile things emanating from right-wingers are vile. It's the vileness that's at issue, wherever it's from.

And pro-Pinochet?

Nope, not telling you that.

Nor the Pinochet thing.