Let's not forget Brexit

Why so sarky?

God knows where you get your information whitewave I certainly don’t know, but was speaking generally.

Same question lemongrove - re

'There is no way to stop it.?'

God knows where you get this info from? Generally or otherwise. Care to enlight us?

Non.

And again in English....No.

Welcome back btw.

... we are in a dreadful mess and not looking likely to come through it with any money or pride left.

Maisie, listening to Any Questions Anna Soubry said that whether they wanted it or not 'most people' accept that we are working towards leaving the EU. She also added that 'most people' also believe that no 'Brexit' is worth a 'no deal'.

In other words, if the government can get a decent deal a majority will probably go along with it. If it is a 'no deal' deal then they will likely not. I think there is some truth in this.

However, we also have to take into account the fact that the Conservatives may or may not stay in power. Again, an interesting answer from Anna Soubry. When she had given a very reasoned comment about Universal Credit she was asked why she had abstained. She replied that she would not do that again. Jonathan Dimbleby quickly picked up on this and it sounded to me - just my impression - that there is a limited time that some Tories will back the government in this way.

The general opinion seems to be that the European leaders understand that Maybot is a dead duck, but they recognise that she is preferable to the possible alternative.

It certainly seems to be the consensus among the journalists who have contacts with the people there whitewave. Everyone who has commented seems to feel it is just a case of which crisis will finish her off. She has been sacrificed on the Tory altar of power.

lemong - merci et quel dommage ;)

www.channel4.com/news/radek-sikorski-eu-would-probably-prefer-corbyn-as-pm

They probably would as he would just role over and give into their demands.

The Labour Party and Keir Starmer are the only ones with a clear idea of what should be happening in Brussels. The Tories are all over the place. It must be driving Brussels mad. How can anyone negotiate with someone who hasn’t a clue about what they want. Bizarre.

That's what Sikorski says, whitewave.

politicalscrapbook.net/2017/10/revealed-jacob-rees-moggs-plan-for-post-brexit-trade-puts-1-4-million-jobs-in-jeopardy/

They probably would as he would just role over and give into their demands

I think you have been reading too many red-tops Firecracker and are just repeating their brainwashing propaganda.

We can see Keir Starmer putting up a much more professional argument while the Brexit Bulldog has to reverse more and more from the lies told during the referendum.

The whole attitude of the Labour Party belies all we have been told by the newspaper Barons just wanting to ensure they stay rich. Quietly, behind the scenes, the LP are preparing for power. Just as they showed the work they had done with economic experts behind the scenes when it came to the election - particularly in comparison to the poor showing from the Tories economically - they are now working with a group of top ex civil servants* to prepare of government - I am not sure that even after all this time we could say the government is prepared.

No firecracker - if I was a Tory I would not rely on the LP to do your work for you. Indeed, it seems to me that the LP have heeded the words of Napoleon "Never interfere with your enemy when he is making a mistake.” and, to some extent, waiting until the Conservatives run out of rope.

*http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2017/10/21/lord-kerslake-jeremy-corbyn-could-become-prime-minister-labours/

In my inbox this morning I received the government to the petition asking for disclosure of thier own Brexit impact statements. They claim that such disclosure would undermine their negotiation position which you can understand, in reality it is difficult to see what difference it would make. The real reason is fear of the public's reaction. See the response yourself and you haven't signed the petition sign it to force a debate in parliament.

[https://petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200634?reveal_response=yes]

petition.parliament.uk/petitions/200634

"Stakeholder engagement is a central element of our plan to build a national consensus around our negotiating position. DExEU Ministers are working closely with colleagues across Government to ensure that we are speaking to a wide range of sectors."

Aren't we all stakeholders in Brexit?

www.opendemocracy.net/uk/mary-fitzgerald/who-bankrolled-brexit

Some more stakeholders in Brexit.

cinders same here.

I listened to Maybot yesterday in Parliament I am now even less clear which way we are heading, but my guess is for a total crash.

Better start stocking up food I suppose.

I guess that the loony brextremists will be thrilled. I assume that is what their dodgy bankrolling friends want - something like a scorched earth policy.

An interesting article by Sadiq Khan about the sovereignty of parliament.

labourlist.org/2017/10/sadiq-khan-opens-the-door-to-new-eu-referendum-if-mps-reject-deal/

Better start stocking up food I suppose.

Some useful sites here, whitewave

www.google.co.uk/search?q=preppers+uk&oq=prepper&aqs=chrome.2.69i57j0l5.7090j0j8&sourceid=chrome&ie=UTF-8

maize mind you

Don't forget the next financial crash, Maizie. Money out of the bank and under the bed again.