Let's not forget Brexit

The legal aid is down to UK law, not the EU, sorry.

Yes we paid his legal aid because of the Human Rights Bill. Are you OK with these abuses.

Normally I avoid the politics threads which can become so unpleasant, but this time I want to put in my tuppenceworth to support those fellow remainers who are saying what I would like to, but more articulately than I can. Go girls! (or women, or description of your choice).

Those leavers who say that we must 'respect the will of the people' in the referendum often say that remainers should stop agitating and just accept that Brexit is going to happen. If the Tories should lose the next election (I know, but we can all dream, can't we?), does that mean that they should abandon their principles and accept everything that the new government does? Of course not, so why do you expect remainers to do exactly that?

I think that Brexit is already a disaster and will continue to be so. Our parents and grandparents went through world wars which both started as European wars, but we have been lucky enough to have avoided that (so far) and I do not believe that the EU has not had a lot to do with that.

Thank you, when. I spoke to someone today whose father was in the RAF and voted remain for that reason [as did a lot of older people who had seen first hand what armed conflict is like].

You can tell that by firecracker's replies, Maizie.
However it's not just the human rights of those who are terrorists, etc.
It's firecracker's human rights that are not going to be taken into UK law. It's the human rights of all her family and friends.
I am assuming she has some, of course.

I just keep hoping, probably in vain, that the nightmare will end somehow and common sense will prevail. Let us have a chance to vote again now we are beginning to see what it really means (I was a remainer before, but I know many who voted Brexit and are now very concerned about the lies they voted for)

Welshwife
as the uk needs to agree to paying the pensions and health costs of these uk citizens
You obviously know very little about our state pension.
You receive it wherever you live in the world, it's got nothing to do with the eu. You might not necessarily get the yearly increases but that is a possibility as the uk gives this increase in many countries.

We don't have to have legal aid, that's a British choice. Can be changed for anyone by the uk parliament.

I know three "leave" voters who regretted their vote very quickly (initially mainly because of the racist abuse it unleashed).

They are now very embarrassed about their votes and would vote Remain if they had the chance again.

I wonder how many others would change their vote if they could?

" Since almost the beginning of the negotiations the EU and Guy Verhofstadt has said that UK citizens should retain the same level of rights as we do now. "
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Question.

Theresa May has been castigated for not unilaterally giving rights to EU citizens.

So why doesn't the likes of Verhofstadt/Junker/Tusk/Merkel/Barnier give UK citizens rights to reside , do it unilaterally ?

Both the UK government and the EU say they want to have 'Reciprocal Rights for ALL EU citizens' after Brexit but they are more interested in THE MONEY! It's all about the money, money money!

I don't care whether we are 48% or 73%, those of us who never voted for brexit should not just aquiesce in this madness.

Why should we deny that our country, our families, our grandchildren's future would be better in the EU?

It is almost certainly the majority now who don’t want to Brexit

infacts.org/brextremists-real-saboteurs/

Worth reading.

Petra, why do you say Welshwife knows little about our pensionsss?
She lives in the EU and has done for over 15 years, I believe. She'll know more than most of us.

It's all about the money?
Tell that to brexiteers who voted on the promise of £350 million a week for the NHS.

Why should the EU give rights unilaterally?
Then May will say she fooled us, and my family will not have those rights. Have you not realised that May cannot be trusted?
If she had agreed to EU citizens having the same rights as they do now, that part of the agreement would be over now. But she hasn't.

docs.wixstatic.com/ugd/0d3854_4c470417a5484580898ff7194f7c6c96.pdf

The 3million response to the third round of talks.

Human Rights Act 1998 passed by UK parliament - its not an EU law.

The need for customs stations in Europe has be known about for ever - duh!!, Now the question is - how likely is it that any one particular country is going to want to spend millions on setting up a system as a result of our decision and not something they ever wanted.

So why hasn't the EU unilaterally given UK citizens the same rights as now?.

Post after post on thread after thread it has been said the UK government /May should take the honourable route and declare EU citizens living in the UK have the same rights as now , irrespective of gaining Reciprocal Rights for UK citizens in the other 27 Member States.

Post after post on thread after thread has said the EU are honourable and want UK citizens to have the same rights as they do now.

So why doesn't the EU unilaterally do it?

I am asking the posters who see all things coming from the EU as saintly and view Theresa May as the devil incarnate a genuine question .

And customs stations in tiny Fishguard, Holyhead and every other Irish Sea ferry port. Also the North Sea ports. And room for lorries to queue and park up.

How disruptive will that be?

durhamjen are you frightened to direct a post to me personally or are you just ignorant. Perhaps you should ask Maizie.

durhamjen
Did you read the first line of my post ( in italics)
I'll put it in bold now if it makes it easier.
AS THE UK NEEDS TO AGREE TO PAYING THE PENSIONS AND HEALTH COSTS OF THESE UK CITIZENS.
The uk doesn't have to agree to anything to do with your pension because it's your pension anywhere in the world.

Er, Firecracker, why should I have responded to you?

I don't think that Brexiteers give a monkeys, dj.

I was responding to Maizie.

Perhaps you need to read more carefully.

Yes, I read your post , petra. However you implied that Welshwife knew nothing about pensions. She does as she lives in the EU.

"British pensioners living abroad have also continued to make the headlines. While claims about what their return might cost the NHS
continue to be made, concerns about what might happen to pensions paid abroad have also surfaced. Simply put, while current arrangements allow for Britons living in the EU to receive pension increases in line with inflation, withdrawal from the EU might entail the end of this reciprocal arrangement. This could result in the freezing of pensions and hence a real-term reduction in the incomes these pensioners receive."

Apart from that, the pensions that May will have to consider are all those of UK citizens working for the EU.

durhamjen
If welshwife had used the words 'increase in pensions' the post would have been clearer, but she didn't, that's assuming that's what she meant.
I have always believed that it is wrong that some residents in some countries get it, and some don't.
I lived in a country outside the eu where I had friends who didn't get the increase. The people who still kept an address in the uk and a Dr, got the increase. I think it would surprise you as to how many people living abroad do this.