EU wants us to pay 89 BILLION divorce charges.

Take a thermos with you.?

Ahead of you on that

Of course leaving isn't going to be easy, but a lot better in the long run than staying in. I'll go now. I'd vowed to stay away from any Brexit thread as it only ends up in a slagging match. Don't know why I opened it.

I don't recall any leave campaigners telling us leaving would be tortuous. But now they all claim they " knew it wouldn't be easy"!

We knew the EU would not make leaving easy. Even more reason for us to escape.

I wish those that throw around such figures would also throw around a few figures telling us how much brexit has cost/is costing/will cost us in the future. I dread to think how many civil servants/consultants etc have been recruited, both here and in the EU, to deal with it all. Not only that but the PM was quite happy to spend a lot of money on an unnecessary election in a futile attempt to get a bigger majority in parliament, and that's even before giving vast amounts of money to the DUP.

MargaretX
Your right there Re Turkey. Merkel and the eu really are between a rock and a hard place. German citizens have been arrested in Turkey but they have to still pay Turkey money otherwise Erdogan will just let 10s of 1,000s of migrants into Europe. Then she/them will really have a problem.
Brexit is nothing compared to that would be headache.

20,000 needed to cope with the 3million EU citizens needing thei right to remain status, Tegan.

First minute and a half of this, Margaret, and they said that Brexit wasn't mentioned in their papers, and definitely not on the front pages.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/NegotiatingBrexit

Who thought it would be easy?

Well, this guy does, for a start:

www.forbes.com/sites/timworstall/2017/07/20/liam-fox-is-right-brexit-is-easy-were-leaving-whats-difficult-about-that/#520a40761a2b

And John Redwood:

johnredwoodsdiary.com/2016/07/17/getting-out-of-the-eu-can-be-quick-and-easy-the-uk-holds-most-of-the-cards-in-any-negotiation/

Paul Nutall:

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/755210/Paul-Nuttall-Ukip-insists-Theresa-May-Brexit-negotiations-easy

And here they are again in company with a few more:

www.buzzfeed.com/patricksmith/nobody-said-it-was-easy?utm_term=.twjGgZg77#.jlp1585rr

While all these people may not have convinced the wise and deep thinking Gransnet Leavers I suspect that a significant number of people did believe them. Else why are so many Leavers on other social media absolutely certain that it should be easy?

Just to calm the op down a tad.

This morning the report is that the final total being talked about is 20bn May has already agreed to plus another 20bn to be paid over a number of years to cover our agreed liability to planned projects, pensions etc. That is the figure over which negotiations will take place -so take heart all Brexiters, undoubtedly that figure will be negotiated down so there really is no need to panic

Paddyann the Majority were NOT remainers last June, we voted Leave. Liz Kershaw said yesterday, it is like going to the pub every week with your mates and always getting your round in. This week you say I am not going, so your mates reply that you still have to get your round in!!!! How many remainers would agree to that????

Where can we study the detailed invoice for this charge?

...just so we can see if we agreed the expenditure in the first place!

When I tried to find the source of Day6's figure the only 'result' Google gave me that mentioned it in this way was this thread

When I dug a bit deeper it turns out that 100 billion euros (£89 billion) was the figure that was being trumpeted by the Brexit Media before negotiations started last Spring. So OP is repeating very outdated news which is no longer true (if it ever was).

Curiously, when I googled on £89 billionI got hundreds of results citing that figure as being our trade deficit with the EU. I'm not sure what the connection is but it set me wondering why the media picked on it that figure for a possible 'divorce' payment.(Apart from continuing their very own Project Fear EU, of course)

This is just one of the things we were NOT told before the vote. The whole EU thing is highly complex and we are totally enmeshed. This whole thing is going to cost us. Hopefully, we will realise before it's too late. Suggest we all make a list of the good pros and cons and see how we get on.

My understanding is that this is pretty much the minimum figure to meet commitments the UK is involved in.
Did the leavers think that we could just walk away?!

Got as far as this I would imagine they won't be fighting each other for a chance to work in Frankfurt, it's not exactly London and realised I will never understand the mentality of Brexiteers.

There's a bit of hysteria about this £89 billion "divorce bill".
It is very unlikely that the final bill will be that high as this is still in negotiation. The final bill will almost definitely be somewhere between this 89 billion and the 20 billion offered by our government.

But to put this figure in a bit more perspective, it will be paid over several years.

The UK economy generates nearly £2000 billion a year. (1940 bn GDP in 2016), so the bill will be a small percentage of our total annual income (between 1 and 4 %) and paid over several years.

The greater problem will be the huge harm to our trade if there is a hard Brexit. That would dwarf them"divorce bill" and would last for up to a decade.

put a cheque on the table and say "thats it from Uk " and walk away. Up to EU if they cash the cheque.

How many of us know the truth about anything, we are all only fed what they want us to know. Lies, U turns etc do we expect anything else from politicians......

Ms Merkl possibly has in mind revenge for us winning the war. I love the way ‘experts’ are flooding out of every corner now to say why we should have voted remain. Hindsight is SO wonderful.

There is no progress because black mail is being used.

Experts have always said we should vote remain.
For some reason Brexiteers think we should trust Gove and Johnson rather than experts.

It seemed likely from the outset that the EU would make things as expensive and nasty as possible - there are several other countries considering leaving I read. It's the equivalent of a public execution - 'Let that be a lesson to all of you watching!'

Yes - walk away Mrs.May - the price is too high.

Is it right to rob a Sick Man then I wonder.