Corbyns Momentum

dj The sanctions started under Obama.

Back to Corbyn. In his speech at the UN Geneva he singles out a couple of people for a special mention. To reinforce his 'unacceptable power of big business' he chose Salvador Allende - known as the first Marxist to become president of a Latin American country through open elections - and quoted Thomas Sankara, Marxist revolutionary and 'Africa's Che Guevara'.

Corbyn is a Marxist.

Do you have proof of that durhamjen? I hadn't noticed,

Followers?
However, I have noticed that if lemongrove does say something to a Corbyn supporter (note - not necessarily a member of Momentum) several other posters all pile in to castigate her - what's the word? Oh yes, followers.

Count me out though and I can't be accused of being an acolyte of lemongrove because we have differing views.

Followers? Is this Twitter?
I have never called any poster a Momentum member.

I’m not a Wolfie Smith like you durhamjen so doubt we would agree on anything much.

I'll remember that, lemon, the next time we get called members of Momentum by you or your followers.

Think about it, lemon.
Trump has stopped Venezuela from exporting 95% of their exports to the USA, and has thereby impoverished the whole country. Do you think that's acceptable?
In which case, the EU can do the same to the UK, and that's acceptable as well, is it?

Yes, really.

Really, lemon?
Lots of us get castigated for even being thought of as members and we're not.

Don’t worry f77ms I doubt anyone will castigate you on GN.
It’s not those who join that are seen as a problem so much as those ‘at the top’.
Friday those of us who don’t think Corbyn is the best thing since sliced bread, and don’t trust what he and McDonnell have planned for the UK, (should they get into power)don’t automatically become Donald Trump flag
wavers.
Corbyn hasn’t a bad word to say about what has been happening in Venezuela.

Oh but f77ms don’t you feel out of place with all those young people who have never experienced the 70s and don’t know what real life is and just want to have their student debt written off or have fallen in love with the cult that is Jeremy or want to see Britain become a communist state. Do tell

I applaud your bravery, f77ms - not for joining but for saying so on gransnet.

Corbyns Momentum , I have joined this morning !

Oh dear Primrose I can hear the voice of blatant capitalism in all your posts. The rise of the far right that is emerging under Trump will doubtless be more attractive to you then rather than the leftist policies of those who are trying to make Society a bit more equal then.

morningstaronline.co.uk/a-7b17-Corbyn-vows-to-end-global-tax-scandal

So!
Maybe others go along with him. You don't obviously.
Of course he has a long standing involvement. He has always been interested in human rights issues in Latin America.
Personally I think his speech to the UN more important.

Jen, Corbyn goes to this every year. It's not a one off event. You can read old articles he used to write about it in the Morning Star. Not criticising the content - just saying he has a longstanding involvement.
morningstaronline.co.uk/a-d756-Free-trade-shouldnt-trump-human-rights#.WisuyEq6-Uk

No one paid any attention then or cared much when he did Wolfy Smith impersonations saluting pictures of Castro, because he was an insignificant backbencher.

I don't know why no one is paying any attention now, as he's leader of the opposition and is framing himself as a Prime Minister in waiting. To me, it's significant & under-reported.

If we're going to be pedantic, it's not about Latin America, either, so why are you going on about it.
Corbyn was in Portugal talking about austerity at the time, and his message did not mention Venezuela, Cuba or Nicaragua.
It was about stopping austerity in Latin America and Europe.
Quite sensible.
As I said, you are just trying to conflate what he said with your prejudices.

The conference isn't about Trump and neither is this thread - it's a distraction to talk about him and oil. So not at all strange that I didn't pre-empt a distraction!
Happy to talk about Venezuela - we can continue on one of the old Venezuela threads if you like. But maybe read this first before taking the 'it's all Trumps fault because oil sanctions' line.
www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-venezuela-obama/obama-concerned-about-venezuelas-struggling-economy-idUSKCN0WH05H

Sorry, can't find it.
You'll have to give a link.

It's strange how you omit the message from Venezuela Solidarity which says that if trump wants to help Venezuela, why is he fast becoming the country's biggest obstacle because of his sanctions on oil?

Corbyn sent a video message. You can watch it on Youtube. Watch it 50 times and you'll take it up to 100 hits.
He needs Momentum to get on that. Poor use of social media.

Venezuela was stuffed when oil dropped below $50 a barrel in June 2014. Last year the US imported nearly 300 million barrels from them and Maduro still had to print money.It had inflation of 700% between 2014 and 2016. It was not a wealthy country before Trump at all.

Not a single word from Corbyn, though. You are just trying to stir it as usual, conflating what other people say and pretending it was Corbyn.
It's not back to Corbyn at all, just your prejudice.

Most of them have to get together to oppose that other great democrat, Trump, and the rape and pillage of their countries.

I was just thinking about parallels.
80% of our exports are services. Whe we leave the EU we will have problems as we will not have many exports to the rest of the EU. They are not covered by CETA type trade agreements.
95% of Venezuela's exports are oil, and Trump has stopped the US from importing oil from Venezuela. It was quite a wealthy country until Trump did that, because he did not like the government of Venezuela.

Here are some quotes from the conference FB page to help frame the discourse there.
"Important piece from Tim Young in our media partners The Morning Star ....."
"a range of voices from across Latin America, Britain and Europe on the achievements of progressive governments in Cuba, Venezuela, Nicaragua,....."
(another clue there about what 'progressive' means)

The kinder, gentler politics of JC in action in Latin America.

My only irritation is that they don't admit their support and admiration as publically as they used to. But it is definitely still there, and that's the point I was making.

Being anti Chavez style government does not equate to supporting Trump. My foot is free from bullet holes!