Corbyns Momentum

So the right should remember Corbyn was going to bring gentler politics, shame he forgot, I expect hm to forget many more promises if/when he gains power,

I agree with you, dbDB77 that McDonnell is "appalling, cruel, rude, ingracious or personally combative." - a very apt description which does not fit Theresa May in the slightest.

There are many good Labour MPs but he is not one of them and I know people who would return to voting Labour were he (and probably Corbyn too) were put out to grass, sorry, returned to the back benches.
Labour would most certainly win the next election if that happened and the nastiness of the likes of McDonnell was stamped out.

Negative? I don't think so.

And again, and again, and again only negative views offered.

Do any of you right-wingers actually have a positive view about the Conservative government?

GG - Who are you calling right wingers? Just because people don't agree with Momentum doesn't make them right wingers. And this thread is called "Momentum" so naturally there are comments about them.

Who's a right winger?
What's negative about thoroughly mistrusting certain opposition MPs?
Disliking them does not mean disliking all of the opposition.

Do you see everything in black and white with no shades of grey in between Gracesgran?

And again, and again, and again only negative views offered.
I thought mine was fairly positive compared to the general attitude of negativity on the political threads about Brexit, the Government, Boris - in fact everything the Conservatives do.

www.channel4.com/news/labours-debbie-abrahams-poverty-is-getting-worse

So having 128,000 children homeless over Christmas isn't appalling or cruel, is that what you think?

A Tory think tank today sent a message to say that they had sandwiches left over from their lunch so any foodbank nearby could go and pick them up.
That's not cruel, and rubbing people's faces in it, isn't it?
It was a Thatcherite thinktank, responsible for the rise in poverty and foodbanks.
Quite sick, I call it.
Worse than anything Corbyn or McDonnell have done so far.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/09/human-rights-commission-to-launch-own-grenfell-fire-inquiry

The commission set up by May does not seem to be doing its job properly.
Half the families made homeless by the Grenfell fire will be in temporary accommodation for Christmas.

That is obviously not the nice Mrs May's fault, is it? After all she made promises that other people have obviously not kept.
The government wants to get rid of the Human Rights Commission. Not that nice Mrs May, of course. She would never dream of saying that, would she?

But this this thread is Corbyn and Momentum not tories allegedly eating sandwiches , diversion again.

See Lonsman is out to get London councillors , he really should wear his I am in charge badge .

Labour Party has so many leaders, McDonald, McClusky, Lonsman, the chap who left the communist party early this year, oh and Corbyn. Expect his close friend Galloway will be brought in if/when Corbyn is in No 10, gosh they will be squashed in there . The three can run the country and Corbyn can sit in the rose garden contemplating his navel or if it's raining watch gogglebox .

The Tories sent the sandwiches to the food bank because they had eaten all the caviare.
Obviously.

Ignoring the Whataboutery, I still cannot see any positive comments about the Tory party either on here or on any other thread with a different title.

The threads created to attack others are simply because there is nothing good to say about the government. Those views are right-wing (sometimes extreme right) so anyone who is supporting the fact that they are doing what they are doing is, in my view, and for simple shorthand, a right-winger. It doesn't matter if you are a member of that party, another party, or no party, if you are supporting what the Conservatives stand for you have right-wing views.

Just, for once, put forward what that is. I know papers like the Mail plough huge sums into trying to get and keep them in power but they so often go for the standard gutter-press propaganda which - like premasticated food - is easy to absorb but pretty disgusting.

It uses the old ideas of painting the opposition negatively - just as some very unsavoury groups have in the past, with the hook nosed Jew, etc. Now we have the pictures of Corbyn 'supporting' those many would see as attacking 'our values' just as those posters were supposed to convey. They dip down into personal attacks on those with left of centre views, just as the right has always done and any attempt to a) tell the truth or b) say why they are a better bet to govern, disappears. This treats those who agree politically with what the LP is currently says in the same way the underclass that the Jews became, were treated. The idea is to paint someone like Corbyn in such a blackened way that no one would want to be associated with him. It is not working. Thankfully most of the young do not read such trash.

The only way to present the Tory message in a good light - if it has one - is to put it out there and let it be discussed. How refreshing it would be to hear the actual views the right hold rather than just the denigration of a person.

Good post, GG.
I've been looking back at this thread and noticed how I've repeated myself a few times.
I told husband about it earlier and he said it's all to do with money. (By 'it' I mean the fear of Momentum etc.)
The rich are afraid that if the other side takes over they'll lose all their money. Also communist countries want their currencies to replace the dollar.

gg I have totally given up after the ridiculous posts yesterday. The right simple stands on their box spouting nonsense without being prepared to take part in a rational debate. All I ever get is the same mantra repeated ad nauseum, or a statement answered with yet more questions rather than actually addressing what I am saying with a rational argument.

No point whatsoever ever in this thread

A final thought.
Today is Human Rights Day.

Those Tory supporters, just think about where your party stands and wants to stand on Human Rights.

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5163397/Tory-hating-Corbynista-MP-Laura-Pidock-buys-house.html

Oh dear Laura. Talk about hypocrisy.

Straight from the Daily Mail too . Just to upset some people even more

I'm surprised they didn't name the village, too. Very remiss of them.
She couldn't buy it on her salary. It was hers and her partner's salaries combined.

There’s a whole generation, and I include myself in this, of young people who will never be able to afford the deposit to buy a home, not just in London but in North West Durham too,’ she said. She claimed she ‘would love a council house’ but ‘there aren’t enough’.

She was talking about herself not being able to raise the deposit.

So Durham is a wealthy area, she could have waited until Corbyn built all those council houses on his rainbow list , expect she goes to food banks too

Just had a look, nice terraced three bedroomed for £50,000, why didn't she buy that

Durham is a big county, Annie. I am surprised you didn't find a three bedroomed ex council house for £20,000.
They are around, you know.

What sort of house does your MP live in? A three bedroomed terrace?

I hadn't realised she was 30.
By the time I was 30, I was living in the fourth house we'd bought, a four bedroomed semi dormer bungalow. Very nice it was, too.
Only needed my husband's salary to pay the mortgage, too; I was at college doing a degree, with a grant and fees paid for me, two children at school.
How differnt life is now for 30 year olds.

No difference in a three bedroomed terrace to a row of council houses, you said you include yourself in the young people who will never be able to afford a deposit. So what you and this MP mean is you will never be able to afford the deposit of a £265,000 house , so sad .

On Human Rights day perhaps we might remember that a policy (not a personality) brought about by the right is not just political chaos, although it is certainly that.

It comes down to what your DH said Fennel. Supporting the right, the Tories, the Conservatives, means you supports a party that has deliberately brought about a humanitarian crisis where, while the rich get richer they are making the poor poorer.

Whatever you think of one man, one movement, if you have ever thought you had a social conscience surely you should be backing the party which is pledged to bring about more equality, more care of the vulnerable who have been put, because of the way the right thinks, at risk of hunger and homelessness this Christmas. The roll-out of Universal Credit has continued in spite of all the evidence of the damage it is doing because the right believe the policy is worth the suffering it brings about.

"Some of you don't agree and dig the fake dirt. "

GGMK2. What 'fake dirt' are you thinking of?

You believe that everything to do with Momentum ,Corbyn, McDonnell is wonderful and so do a lot of other posters.

That is your prerogative

Others see things differently that is their prerogative.

As for your comment:-
"This treats those who agree politically with what the LP is currently says in the same way the underclass that the Jews became, were treated."

I think you could open a can of worms , AGAIN, regarding the recent issues with Labour and Anti Semitism it was a rather ironic comment.

Why do you think you should decide what and where posters should think, say or do? There are plenty of threads on the ALL things Tory and if anybody wants to join in they are free to do so .

Do you think we must all do and think as you do? Do you think you should decide what the subject a thread must follow?

You mention Whataboutery .. The meaning of Whataboutery is ' the technique or practice of responding to an accusation or difficult question by making a counter-accusation or raising a different issue. '

Hmm. Pure Irony.