Corbyns Momentum

Thanks Pogs - I admit I haven't kept uptodate with current LP thinking.
Growing up in a NE mining town, I joined the party in the early '70s when we still sang The Red Flag at the end of each meeting, and resigned when Shirley Williams and co. left . When Blair won in 1997 I was still living in NE England and saw it as a betrayal of principles.
I know society has changed beyond recognition since those days, but surely for a balance, we need an opposition strong enough to challenge the current extreme right drift.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/jul/06/labour-mps-critical-of-corbyn-fear-deselection-after-get-on-board-warning

This is not a new story is it but it certainly has traction with the current shinanigans. Predictions are coming true .

Fennel

" I had to look up Trotsky's main platform, and it was that things can only change if the proletariat, the 'workers', rise up and overthrow those currently in power. I don't think Corbyn has threatened to do that."

I think you should put John McDonnell into search accompanied by the word 'Insurrection'. You can hear it from the man himself.

Insurrection :- an act or instance of rising in revolt, rebellion, or resistance against civil authority or an established government.

Corbyn /McDonnell there is no Good Guy , Bad Guy cop routine they are as they like to say 'A Team'.

I grew up on a council estate and your door was painted for you. There were about 3 colours and they were rotated along the street. I can't see that it made a lot of difference and now I think it must have made life much easier. None of this trying out colours and then sanding and painting -all done for you.
This thread is about Reds under the beds again. Thought that all went with McCarthy. 6 Momentum members out of 96 councillors. If they keep up the same rate of take over I'll be 88 when every councillor is Momentum-really scarey isn't it.

re painting doors etc - in some communes there are regulation about what colours to paint doors etc, but I think it only applies if you're near an historic monument.
I would still like Corbyn to be given a chance, and the present govt. seems to often get away with right wing ruthlessness.
I had to look up Trotsky's main platform, and it was that things can only change if the proletariat, the 'workers', rise up and overthrow those currently in power. I don't think Corbyn has threatened to do that.

In the context of John McDonnell saying that he's meeting with asset managers, I think it's relevant. It's simplistic to think the equity market only impacts a banker. The city pays a significant amount into the tax pot and pension funds hold investments in equities.

durhamjen
As per usual you miss the point completely. It wasn't the case that people were told what colour to paint their front doors, which is something you don't see, they are mostly left au natural (wood)
The point being: they didnt have a choice. There was only about 4 colours to choose from.
When I left in 2010 a tin of Dulux paint cost over a days wages.

Jen, you approve with prospective MP's having to sign a loyalty clause to Corbyn?

That's laughable, primrose.
Of course an equity banker would say a labour government is more threatening than a Tory one, with or without Brexit.
Labour want to even things up, rather than let the richest run away to tax havens with even more money.

Article in The Times today about Momentum forcing out moderate Labour Party candidates for the local elections next year. Banks warn that Corbyn would be worse than Brexit.

"Councillors across the country have been deselected in a vote of local members or have faced pressure not to contest their seats in May in favour of candidates more closely aligned to the cause of the Labour leader and the Momentum campaign that supports him.

Tensions in one London borough have become so bad that centrist organisers called for the regional party to take over the selection process. Tim Gallagher, a councillor from Haringey, north London, who decided to step down last week, said that he and colleagues were written off as “zombie Blairites”.

The divisions were laid bare as a US bank warned that a Corbyn government would threaten the UK asset market more than Brexit would. Graham Secker, chief European equity strategist at Morgan Stanley, was said to have told clients: “We could see the biggest shake-up in the political backdrop since the 70s. This is much more scary from an equity perspective than Brexit.”"

You have to have your front door painted a certain colour , wow, this is the harsh side of communist rule. What a ridiculous comment and what a pathetic attempt to try to defend communism .

I live in a National Park area too,mainly I have no issues with them ...I do have issues with the neighbouring Nuclear base who seem to take over more land by the week...and now they're allowing ARMED MOD police outwith the base....its really not on.

There is Jalima, there is!

You have to have permission to paint your front door a certain colour if you live in the national parks here, too.
Oh dear
There really is no answer to that!

I'm sure that some people on this thread would be absolutely fine under a Communist rule.
However, some others could be 'disappeared'.

Has no-one read One Day in the Life of Ivan Denisovich?
Well, of course you have, but some of you would be on the side of the authorities and not the dissenters.

I have 2 good friends who I still visit in Bulgaria.
One, her father 'disappeared' for 5 years for having a copy of country life!!!
The other. She was a teacher and her work colleague/friend disappeared forever

Well Lemon, I have had several battles with the parks over the years, even lodged an appeal with the Assembly, I won some,lost some, but no one ever pointed a gun at me ?

An interesting read POGS , thank you.

What is puzzling is far left posters claim they have no connection with Momentum but are not at all concerned with their power in the Labour Party,

comrade Corbyn has his questions written down, it's PMQ , this means the prime minister is asked questions not the opposition , they ask the questions , suppose because he is told what to ask, jump jezza , jump

Annie

www.manchestereveningnews.co.uk/news/greater-manchester-news/momentum-labour-party-manchester-corbyn-13913626

An interesting read but to be fair not particularly raising anything / pointers that have not been said over many months. More how some view the state of play between Momentum and Labour.

As for the Lucy Powell MP she was only ranked as 'Negative' in Corbyn's 'List' so perhaps deselection might not be being considered, perhaps .

What a ridiculous comment about PMQs. Maybot has all her answers written down, too. Had you not realised?

For some strange reason as someone who live in a national park I accept not being allowed a luminous purple front door but i would find being shot for protesting against the national park most unacceptable

Petra, I think questions will be arranged before hand thus making sure Corbyn has the answers ready and no difficult questions will be asked. Corbyn even has his PMQ notes to read, all is prepared before he takes the stage

You have to have permission to paint your front door a certain colour if you live in the national parks here, too.