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When is she going to fire him? (Boris)

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Nandalot Tue 07-Nov-17 13:34:36

Boris may have caused a British Iranian woman’s sentence in Iran to be doubled to 10 years by something Liam Fox calls ‘ a slip of the tongue’.The woman was on holiday with her family in Iran when she was accused of spying. Johnson said she was there teaching journalism which the Iranian authorities leapt on as spreading propaganda. I don’t think May will give him the boot. She fears him too much to let him loose. Meanwhile, the UK, and this poor woman, have to endure the repercussions of his ‘slips of the tongue’.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 00:29:30

If you want to see what has been happening to her, just read all the posts under the petiton. It goes on for nearly 600 days, but much of the time he is telling people to be careful and not annoy the Iranian government. Lots of it is harrowing.
I believe him. I see no reason for him to lie.
Until Johnson said what he did she was going to be allowed out on parole before Christmas.

whitewave Sat 11-Nov-17 08:07:42

Johnson has not met Radcliffe, nor had any communication with him since this whole sorry incarceration took place a year ago.

Why? Too busy? Too little care? Too arrogant?

maryeliza54 Sat 11-Nov-17 08:20:07

I keep wondering why BJ is being so obdurate about meeting him. My guess would be that under that carefully constructed exterior of bumbling, hail fellow well met, ruffled hair buffoon is an arrogant thoroughly nasty person who just won’t ever admit he gets anything wrong. I’m also amazed like other posters that some people on here are looking for reasons not to believe that she was simply on holiday and that’s her husband is a thoroughly decent man who is in a situation the awfulness of which I can’t begin to imagine.

Apologists for BJ on here also don’t seem to have the first understanding of the power struggle in Iran between the Revolutionary Guard ( who arrested and imprisoned her) and the Government ( who BJ ‘said’ he telephoned )

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Nov-17 08:24:03

Mr Radcliffe has just been on BBC Breakfast - so measured by comparison to Boris. Apparently the Foreign office has been in touch with him and suggested some dates when he could meet Boris. That is the least he is owed.

whitewave Sat 11-Nov-17 08:25:42

Bit late gg

maryeliza54 Sat 11-Nov-17 08:30:23

Well BJ is clearly feeling the pressure and some wiser counsel has prevailed ( well that and the gun being held to his head). It’s a start to even have contacted Mr Ratcliffe but if he’d met him much earlier he might have avoided his ‘gaffe’ in the first place - no brownie points from me

Primrose65 Sat 11-Nov-17 08:38:25

I read the transcript of the select committee meeting before I posted - Mr Radcliffe had met Alistair Burt the day before. The FO is more than just BJ and it seems they are in regular contact. There's also an exchange where it's clear that no one knows why she has been detained and no one knows how long her sentence is. Even during the meeting, there was speculation that she had been given an extra 16 years on her sentence.
I do have an understanding of the current power struggle in Iran, but only what's reported in the press. It's the apologists for Iran that I find most disconcerting.

maryeliza54 Sat 11-Nov-17 08:56:03

By reading the transcript Primrose did you feel that BJ’s version of what he said he said stacks up? BTW I’m far from an apologist for Iran. It’s also clear that there are posters on here that don’t understand the power struggle in Iran and therefore why a phone call to the Iranian foreign minister is not sufficient to address the issue of clarifying what he said or said he said or whatever the truth is. I didn’t know about the meeting with AB but either way,BJ is giving at least the appearance of not taking what he said and its possible impact seriously enough.although to be fair I can’t really think of anything where BJ gives the appearance of taking anything seriously enough

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 08:57:30

Nobody is being an apologist for Iran.
If you read what Richard Ratcliffe has said he doesn't want people to criticise Iran because he wants his wife and daughter home.
If you read all the messages from him on the petition you will see that.
So Alistair Burt met him the day before the committee meeting - so what?
She's only been in prison for over sixteen months.
Did you know anything about it before idiot Boris put his foot in it?

I've read the Sun's article where they are saying that Boris should apologise properly. (Read it so you don't have to)>
The comments under the line are the usual bile spouted by people who only look at pictures.

Primrose, have you read what Richard Radcliffe has been writing for over a year under his petition?
I suggest you do; then you might stop being an apologist for Boris.

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 09:02:31

Alistair Burt has actually been out to Iran and has met the daughter and grandmother, but was not allowed to see Nazanin herself. This was in August.

Primrose65 Sat 11-Nov-17 09:26:57

maryeliza I agree that a phone call is just not good enough. BJ said a lot about her case, other MPs on the select committee are also talking to the Iranians which is documented too - Ann Clywd was told by the Iranians to stop asking questions about her sentence, for example. It's worth a read. I doubt we will ever know the whole truth about this and I think she is probably being used as a bargaining chip.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Nov-17 10:03:33

But then he goes off and talks about bull-fighting in Spain at an Anglo-Spanish official dinner to improve our relationship with them .

I can only imagine that he is unaware that the sort of division about bull fighting in Spain is similar to the division about hunting in this country. He should not have taken sides on this. In fact, he probably should not have joined in any discussion about it.

It is almost as if he has those comic strip views of people of different countries - including ours. I bet he thinks

durhamjen Sat 11-Nov-17 10:07:10

I bet he doesn't think!

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Nov-17 10:21:42

It's the apologists for Iran that I find most disconcerting.

So please quote these so called apologises for Iran Primrose. What is it that they have said to make you think that is their stance?

jura2 Sat 11-Nov-17 19:18:28

GG I don't think we are going to get an answer to that, somehow sad

Tegan2 Sat 11-Nov-17 20:44:50

Something popped up on my facebook page saying that Boris is going to go confused; perhaps they just mean he's going to Iran?? I guess it's just false news of some kind [and I was getting so excited]...

Elrel Sat 11-Nov-17 21:16:47

Boris allegedly doesn’t read his briefs.

Elrel Sat 11-Nov-17 21:22:29

Nazanin Zhagari-Ratcliffe is understood to be in very poor health. Please sign a petition to urge our politicians to work for her release. There are such petitions on Facebook and elsewhere. Lobby your MP if you care about the plight of this family.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Nov-17 22:23:41

Can you put a link in Elrel?

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Nov-17 22:54:07

Front page of the Mail on Sunday Boris and Gove plot to 'hijack' Number 10 They are talking about a memo to May dictating terms for a hard Brexit.

Can this get any more ridiculous. Surely this means that we, the British people are being held to ransom by some very Machiavellian people. As the country lurches from one crisis to another these people are using a weak May and acting as these Svengali dictate. This is treating 'the people' appallingly.

Tegan2 Sat 11-Nov-17 23:11:05

Just saw this on the telly. What on earth is this country coming to? We just sat there shaking our heads in disbelief [or, what was even worse, realising that stuff like this had become the norm].

Tegan2 Sat 11-Nov-17 23:12:49

...just remembered; think they said Gove was being interviewed by Andrew Marr tomorrow; should be interesting...

GracesGranMK2 Sat 11-Nov-17 23:19:30

Perhaps he's touring the politics programmes. That might give us some insight into what, if anything, they are up to.

Tegan2 Sat 11-Nov-17 23:26:03

I don't understand how some of these politicians disappear only to pop up again confused as if nothing had ever happened. Or are suddenly allies after being enemies.

durhamjen Sun 12-Nov-17 01:04:40

Boris and Gove were always friends until Gove stabbed Boris in the back over PM standing.
Gove has some sort of hold over Boris.