Animal Rights after the Brexit Repeal Bill

Are you concerned about standards of animal husbandry and appalling cruelty to animals in general in the EU or not djen?

www.viva.org.uk/pigs

Pig farms get the shame of Britain award. About ten farms listed on this link, with photos of how our farmers treat sentient animals.

Of course, none of you buy your pork from such farms, do you?
Yours is all organic, kept in the fields, allowed to play nicely until slaughtered humanely, etc., etc.

In the whole world, actually, Jalima. They probably have better welfare standards in Africa with the tribesmen than on our pigfarms.

Straw-based/outdoor systems
UK – 40% of sows are outdoors, 90% of indoor sows and 60% of finishing pigs are kept on straw, 2-3% of finishers are free range and 0.6% of production is organic.
Sweden – more than 90% of sows and finishers are kept on straw. But just 1% of Swedish pigs are kept outdoors and these are all organic.
Rest of EU, US, Canada, Brazil – very few, if any, pigs are kept outdoors or on straw indoors. Most are kept on slatted floors. Very few organic pigs.

www.viva.org.uk/what-we-do/our-work/turkeys

10 million turkeys going to be killed this Christmas, every one of them just bred for the Christmas market.
The population is only 66 million!
I know at least 40 vegans or vegetarians who will not be eating any.

Where are your figures from, Jalima?

www.viva.org.uk/pigs/can-you-trust-the-tractor

www.pig-world.co.uk/news/highlighting-the-differences-how-uk-welfare-standards-compare-with-our-competitors.html

Even on your figures, 40% of sows outdoors means that 60% are not.

The voice of the pig industry is rather biased, isn't it?

The voice of the Guardian is rather biased too which is where a lot of information anti-British farmers seems to come from.

Even on your figures, 40% of sows outdoors means that 60% are not.
On straw, not crammed in cages as they are in many other countries.

Of course, we import much of our bacon etc from the Netherlands and Denmark anyway, although I always try to buy British.

www.viva.org.uk/what-we-do/pigs/we-go-undercover-expose-shocking-cruelty-morrisons-supplier

East Riding Country Pork.
Pigs are supposed to be treated as sentient beings, according to the government and the Tories who voted against it. These animals are supposed to have better rights than they have in the rest of the EU, so we don't need to give them more rights.

Mine comes from Viva!, where they have taken their own photos and videos of the cruelty involved.

Don't worry, shan't post any more because no-one will ever be able to change your view that everything about Britain is dreadful, nasty and bad and that everything about Continental Europe is wonderful.

Even though I did vote remain, I hope I don't have a blinkered view of the EU.

Jalima, your figures are only about straw-based outdoor systems, not about the rest.
What about the rest, like those that Viva! have shown?

An interesting interactive map here to show you about factory farming in your area.

www.ciwf.org.uk/media/7431377/new-interactive-map-exposes-uk-factory-farming-hotspots.pdf

You can click on it to show the different animals.

Pathetic, Jalima.
This is about farmed animals and the fact that this government did not want to keep the clause in about animals feeling pain, etc. Not about comparing other EU countries with ours and finding them worse than us.

However EU farmers keep their livestock, they still have a clause that says they are sentient beings. We will not after Brexit. Their governments are still responsible for the laws.
Our government will not be after March 2019.

But that's okay, you throw your ball out of the pram just because you won't admit that you are wrong on this.
I don't have a blinkered view of how animals are kept anywhere.
As well as Viva! I belong to Peta which campaigns about how farm animals are kept in Eastern Europe and has some success at stopping live transport of animals, etc.
CIWF is about animals all over the world, and not just in the EU.
I have signed up to two campaigns today for them.

I can't believe that you don't object to 60% of UK farm animals being mistreated just because some other countries might keep them in worse conditions.

How do you manage to twist other people's posts to change the meaning?

An amazing skill!

Herefordshire has over 16 million indoor reared livestock, not allowed to express their normal behaviour. Shropshire has over 14 million.
North Yorkshire has the greatest number of pigs confined, 221,000, with over 7 million livestock confined altogether.
CIWF map.

jalima
how do you manage to twist other people's posts to change the meaning
Practice

"the law alone is not always strong or detailed enough to ensure that [farm animals] have a good quality of life."

Essex has over 2 million factory farmed animals.

www.2sfg.com/news/company-news/updated-statement-to-the-guardianitv-investigation/

Goodness dj you'll undoubtedly be defending bull fighting, vile festivals in Spain, the disposal of donkeys, worn out greyhounds etc, circus animals, practises too horrible to even think about in many EU countries, all state approved. Not to mention intensive pig farming in Denmark, Holland, France, the list is endless. The EU may well consider animals to be sentinent, so what, unless you enforce these appalling cruelties which Europe clearly doesn't, that word is totally meaningless. Oh yes, they love hunting in the countries of the EU, songbirds are a favourite,(think Malta, Cyprus, Spain) in fact anything that moves. You're right this country isn't perfect, far from it, but I had to be any creature in this world, to say I'd rather be one in the UK than any other country is an understatement.

Sorry, 'sentient'.