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Animal Rights after the Brexit Repeal Bill

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Ilovecheese Mon 20-Nov-17 16:13:58

I'm sorry I don't know how to do a link but I have just read this in the Independent on line
"MPs have voted to reject the inclusion of animal sentience – the admission that animals feel emotion and pain – into the EU Withdrawal Bill.

The move has been criticised by animal rights activists, who say the vote undermines environment secretary Michael Gove’s pledge to prioritise animal rights during Brexit.

The majority of animal welfare legislation comes from the EU. The UK Government is tasked with adopting EU laws directly after March 2019 but has dismissed animal sentience.
The Government said during the debate before the vote that this clause is covered by the Animal Welfare Act 2006.

The RSPCA disputed the Government’s claim."

I'm not a great animal lover myself, but I don't like to think of them being treated as if they have no feelings.

I wondered what animal lovers think about this.

durhamjen Tue 28-Nov-17 20:45:43

www.euractiv.com/section/agriculture-food/news/rabbit-farming-gets-eu-lawmakers-hopping-mad/

NfkDumpling Tue 28-Nov-17 22:29:35

Gosh, you really are expert at twisting things. I give in. I’m no match for you.

Jalima1108 Tue 28-Nov-17 23:21:22

That's why he was fined for it. Was he? I thought he wasn't fined for that.

There was the turkey twizzler furore (Jamie Oliver) and we probably all remember the avian flu incident in 2007 which, as far as I remember, was traced to meat imported from Hungary. Matthews died in 2010 and had been suffering from Alzheimer's for some time before that
The Great Witchingham-based turkey giant was transferred to the Boparan Private Office, the investment company headed by 2 Sisters Food Group entrepreneur Ranjit Singh Boparan
2 Sisters Group was fined for re-packaging and selling meat past its sell-by date.

durhamjen Tue 28-Nov-17 23:23:38

The turkeys imported from Hungary were from his own factories over there.

Jalima1108 Tue 28-Nov-17 23:44:09

I make no excuses, I was merely stating what I remember.

Subject to EU rules and regulations then, in 2007

durhamjen Tue 28-Nov-17 23:50:38

I don't twist things. Those who say that the EU law is different to ours twist things. We should all stick to the EU law as far as care of animals is concerned. Because some people and some countries don't doesn't mean that EU law is any different.
All countries in the EU have animal welfare inspectors. As I said, I know someone who had to go into Bernard Matthews sheds, and closed some down because of the state of the animals in there.

This is how sentient animals are treated.

"The installation is operated by Bernard Matthews Food Limited and comprises four poultry houses, numbered 1, 2, 4 and 5.
Shed 3 is currently used as a store. A layer of approximately 40 mm of soft wood shavings over the whole of the floor area provides bedding in the units prior to bird placement, with additional shavings added as necessary to maintain litter in a clean and dry state during the growing cycle. All litter is exported from the installation for spreading on land owned by third parties, or to electricity generating stations for burning.

The five poultry houses provide a combined capacity for 87,000 commercial stag turkey places. Turkeys are
brought onto the farm at 1 day old, then at 6 weeks old two
thirds of the turkeys are transferred to other
farms, while the remaining turkeys will be depopulated at approximately 20-21 weeks of age. There will be
an average of 2 cycles per annum. "

durhamjen Thu 30-Nov-17 16:53:20

alaw.org.uk/wp/wp-content/uploads/Article-13-Legal-Briefing-Note.pdf

nightowl Tue 12-Dec-17 18:37:36

Good news.

www.ciwf.org.uk/news/2017/12/a-victory-for-britains-animals?utm_campaign=politics&utm_source=enewsemail&utm_medium=email

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 19:17:14

I've just been reading that, nightowl.
I still can't understand why they didn't just allow Article 13 to go through, can you?
Brilliant news, though.
Maybe Gove is not sentient enough.

nightowl Tue 12-Dec-17 19:23:43

No I can’t dj. I suspect they got all stubborn about it and then realised the strength of feeling meant they had dropped a clanger.

But thank goodness for some sense at last. And in the spirit of Christmas I will say ‘thank you Mr Gove’ wink

Ilovecheese Tue 12-Dec-17 19:51:36

"I still can't understand why they didn't just allow Article 13 to go through, can you?"

Because that would not have been "taking back control"

They want to reduce regulation (you know, the ones that are there to keep us safe and healthy) and they want to be seen to be reducing regulations.

willsmadnan Tue 12-Dec-17 20:35:21

Durhamjen you are such an expert on everything. May I suggest you remove your head from a certain part of a certain politician's anatomy and take a trip outside of Durham. To France for example... they don't adhere to the notion that animals are sentient beings. Take a walk round the average village and have a look at the way they treat their dogs for starters and then move on to the treatment of livestock.
You could then travel on to Eastern Europe. Travel broadens the mind, you know ..... or maybe you don't.

lemongrove Tue 12-Dec-17 20:43:37

Some posters seem to think the EU is brilliant for everything, and that other European countries are far far better than Britain at absolutely everything as well, the wonder is, that they are still living in Britain at all.

nightowl Tue 12-Dec-17 21:02:18

What on earth are the last two posts all about? They seem very rude to me and quite uncalled for.

I posted some good news (to me) which seems to have unleashed yet more personal comments. I will never understand some people on here, always determined to be negative.