I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

Stop obfuscating lemon. Not on here to chat about Dyson vacuums. Still waiting to read your list of improvements in my life that I can look forward to as the result of you voting for Brexit.

My son trained to be an engineer 20 years ago. There was no shortage of people wanting to be engineers. There was a shortage of companies wanting to employ them when they qualified.

Yes, Eloethan, suzied, Jalima1108, Tegan2, Welshwife, MaizieD, humptydumpty and me. You're not here to talk about Dyson either! On the naughty step immediately!

I don't think anyone here knows enough about your life to be able to work out what benefits you might gain Gill, or what you might lose out on.

Cop out, primrose. You don't fool anyone.
You really don't have any answers, do you?

Only mentioned Dyson he supports Brexit but closed down his UK factory. I wouldn't buy one of his overpriced, enormous bits of garish plastic.

It appears that much of the immigration from the EU will be replaced by immigration from the Indian sub-continent. This leaves me wondering if the leavers see good immigration and bad immigration. The alternative is that, just as rather a lot of those leavers I have seen interviewed seem extremely surprised that it will cost us a lot of money to leave, maybe they hadn't anticipated any other group replacing the EU immigrants.

So, some voted to leave to save money which could be spent on the NHS - that's not going to happen.

Some voted to leave to pull up the drawbridge and stop immigration. That's not going to happen.

It's the same old question isn't it? What do leavers believe they are going to get out of this?

Why is it a cop out because I can't do a benefit analysis for a random stranger on the internet?
Why don't you tell me why Brexit is bad for me personally. Jen? Good luck!

All I know is that I dread growing old in this country now (I'm 57).

The negative effects of leaving the EU will outweigh any positives for at least a decade, probably more. Any government will be left trying to shore up the economy and public services will suffer far more than now. The only people who will benefit will be those who profit from providing the services the government farms out to the private sector. The public sector will be sold off in pieces until a joined up service is impossible (it's getting that way now). Even having money won't help if there's no support to access the services you need or it's disappeared.

The older you are, the more likely you voted to leave the EU. Of those who voted, 64% of over 65s voted to leave. How many of them won't live to see the consequences of their vote? Thanks a lot.

primrose Stop stirring the pot. Some on here have already given their opinion on Dyson and his shifting of manual jobs overseas, and there has been some rather pathetic justification given for this, BUT, I still havent been given any inkling of the advantages I should expect, and your ^I don't think anyone here knows enough about your life to be able to work out what benefits you might gain Gill, or what you might lose out on^ comment is silly. What has my position, my income, age or state of health got to do with how you decided to cast your vote? This is getting irritating beyond measure now; lots of red herrings being dragged about, but still no idea of what I can expect to gain? Increased spending on NHS/increased job prospects for my children/safer borders/blue passports/safer working conditions for my children/improved maternity rights (assuming my children have paid maternity leave, another one of those rules imposed by that pesky meddling EU)/anything?

I don't need to. I was quite happy at the way things were happening in the EU, and happy with the small changes that were necessary to keep the EU on an even keel.
Changes because of Brexit will affect everyone, not just you personally, changes like house prices going down, companies moving to the EU, therefore their goods costing more when we need to import them.
The cost of energy going up; the NHS being sold off; medicines costing more; social care being a problem as staff go back to other EU countries.
I assume some of those will affect you personally, or your family, particularly as lemon is now talking about the cost of brexit going on for forty years!

On the naughty step immediately!
I went to vacuum the whole whole as a penance instead. It was quite good fun with my new Dyson.

Actually, I lie, I have just been to the dentist, that felt like a naughty chair.

As you were .....

whole whole?
whole house

primrose your post however suggests that you may have carried out some sort of benefit analysis.

I assume you could do a general one? Or are you as clueless as the rest of the leavers?

lemon is parroting everyone’s favourite - hasbeen - IDS. That is what he announced yesterday.

My new Bosch tumble drier was a waste of money. Even the Bosch engineer recommends only using one programme - so what was the point of paying £200 extra for programmes that are of no use?

jalima I think you are on the wrong thread?

I was replying to the comment about Miele; I went for German technology but was disappointed.

Oh I see. You have been unlucky then, as I have always found German stuff outstanding.

My Siemans washing machine is fine (fingers crossed)

Carry on - red herring.

It passes the time whilst waiting for the next whizzy post

Actually, DH saw the Bosch engineer visiting a neighbour today and the engineer asked how the tumble drier is going now. DH said 'it's OK, nothing more' and the engineer said 'just stick to the one programme like I advised you'.

Any whizzy posts yet?

voxeu.org/article/300-million-week-output-cost-brexit-vote

Is this good enough for you, primrose?
We were promised that £350 million a week would be spent on the NHS.
It has now been worked out that we have lost £300 million per week since the vote.

I guess some people think it’s the fault of the EU that their tumble drier has too many programmes.

This morning on Facebook I watched a short report given by a British MEP about citizens rights. Basically she said how the UK had guaranteed the rights of EU citizens in UK but the EU refused to do the same so they were holding things up. I did not quite believe this report as I have seen reports of both UK and EU citizens who have had meetings in Brussels with people such a Barnier and Verhofstadt.(they cannot get a meeting with DD).
Then someone posted a photograph of a letter sent this week from GV to MB reporting on his meeting with the U.K about Citizens rights. He says how the UK were not willing to give rights to the close family members ( rights they currently have) and how this might impact on children from maybe different parental liaisons. He says the EU will not allow two tier families to exist with some being more equal with the rights they receive than others, he also went onto other similar types of things.
Quite a different slant on the same meeting!

So what happens when a British person is married to a French person and they have children and jobs in the uk. Is the french person in danger of deportation? ( only asking as this is a reality in my family.

OK, my British whizzy post of the day. Still got my Kenwood Chefette - got it free with GreenShield stamps in 1971 beat that...