I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

day6 your distraction techniques are pathetic. I did not write a thesis, I asked a question. The same one many have asked and you are still unable or unwilling to answer. Just what are you hoping for? What did you expect when you voted out? Is the cost worth It? Yes I know it is 3 questions but would really like an answer to even just one of them. And try to keep it polite and not aggressive if you could.

www.tuc.org.uk/brexitoptions#

The actual report.

I would like the answer to those questions too, please.

There are none, so I wouldn’t hold your breath. Leavers are clueless.

Day6 - how can anyone discuss anything without giving reasons for choices and opinions- and instead just get attacks, personal or otherwise. Just nonsense.

Do please give us a list of positives for Brexit so far - not soundbites but facts... please.

Or, honestly, just stop the empty soundbites - what is the point?

As for the 'divorce bill' - it is of course nothing of the sort.

In simple terms - imagine you are a member of a club, and you, at the AGM- have agreed to the budget for the next year or next 3 years- including repairs, maintenance, improvements, replacements, staff appointments and attached costs, etc, etc. The costs AGREED are then divided by the number of members- and you then choose to leave and not pay for the agreed above and costs- would you think it fair to expect the other members to pay your agreed part for you. Same for a holiday - have you ever looked at cancellation clauses? Or a Gym membership, etc, etc?

And how would you feel if another member left after agreeing all the above- and you were then presented with a large extra bill to pay for their commitments they are refusing to pay for?

I don't know why you're getting so aggressive Day6. You started a thread that refers to the remainers' Project Fear and continued in a similar vein. Such remarks were guaranteed to produce some fairly robust responses.

I was not an entirely convinced remainer and still think the EU has a lot of faults but, having seen the very damaging consequences of the vote to leave and the fairly credible evidence that there is more bad news to come, I'm glad I did the same as my son and his partner - and many other younger people - did and voted to remain.

I just hope that out of the current chaos some sort of ordered exit will result and the UK can pick itself up and pull itself together. But I have grave misgivings, given that we manufacture much less now than we used to do, have a record of poor investment in the regions and have relied disproportionately on London and the finance sector. On top of that, we have already seen the enthusiasm for getting rid of "red tape" from some quarters and people like Dyson suggesting there should be no corporation tax and much more "flexibility" in the workforce.

Of course Dysons aren’t made in the UK anymore the UK factory was closed and moved to Malaysia, so not surprising Dyson in favour of Brexit . I think there are very few high end items that are wholly owned and made in the UK. I have a feeling there’s only 1 Car. ( Morgan very niche and a small company)

I see that once again none of my questions answered by the leavers. How can we unite unless they can answer basic questions. If they have researched they should be able to to recite all the bad EU rules and what improved rules we will have. They do not even acknowledge the fact that Mogg and Dyson admit that they want to limit workers rights. If I had voted leave I would be looking for answers from the brexit team as to why the NHS is not getting the money, why they used a false figure of £350 m etc etc, and I would be asking for guarantees on keeping our rights and protecting the enviroment, but instead they just repeat "will of the people" and spend more time being angry at the people who "democratically" are disagreeing, than making sure the government promises are kept.
And once again I ask..... If I am a traitor, are you saying that people who disagreed with Hitler were also traitors and deserved to die for speaking out. Please try and convince us we were wrong instead of just being angry because we disagree Day6

Godwin's Law is certainly being proven on this thread!
I'm not sure it's worth any effort to convince anyone who is given to inappropriate hyperbolic comparisons.

Perhaps the reason Dyson did move was because of the lack of engineering skills in this country, which he is hoping to redress with the opening of the Dyson Institute of Engineering and Technology in Wiltshire.

The EU bill, whatever it comes to is worth it, to get us out and also get a deal.Think of the eye watering amounts we will save as a country over the next 40 years which can be spent on the UK!

Further to that, perhaps we will now start training our own young people to be future doctors, engineers etc.

Dyson left so he could get cheap labour...simple.He wants brexit because he thinks employee rights will go...thats including the minimum wage.Great guy ...isn't he ? Definately an I'm all right jack type who cares about no one but himself and hiss grossly overpriced products

How many people does Dyson employ on, or close to minimum wage in the UK? I'd imagine very few.

lemongrove Absolutely!

That's irrelevant . He campaigns for all things British and then makes his goods in Malaysia using cheap labour. Morally wrong [imo]...And, didn't he, on the Andrew Marr show say that he wanted to be able to reduce wages in this country [or something like that]...Maybe, if he is opening an institute of whatever it is it's because he's bowing down to public pressure. He's advertising his rubbish vacuum cleaners like mad so perhaps sales are down...

His vacuum cleaners are marvellous, I wouldnt have any other make.His company is amazingly successful, and in making goods in Malaysia, he is employing people who are glad of the work, this is only what many employers do btw they go where it is cheaper.

Sorry I just had to look up Godwin's law!

Godwin's law (or Godwin's rule of Hitler analogies) is an Internet adage that asserts that "As an online discussion grows longer, the probability of a comparison involving Hitler approaches 1"; that is, if an online discussion (regardless of topic or scope) goes on long enough, sooner or later someone will compare......

I would prefer to pay my money for a product made in Europe or the UK. What he is advocating is not progress for British or European workers at all, but less cost for transport if he manages to get wages downgraded to Malaysian levels. All that equals more money in his pocket - is he spending as much as Gates on humanitarian work?

Miele is better imo.

So; the economic future of this country could depend on a guy who sells vacuum cleaners and one who sells JCB's [every home should have one..].

And don’t forget Trump. Nazi sympathisers always welcome to visit if they are willing to trade with us.

Think of the eye watering amounts we will save as a country over the next 40 years which can be spent on the UK!

The 'Brexit bill' so far comes to at least £130 billion.

£60 billion Quantitative Easing to bolster the £ when it fell after the referendum result
£10 billion to keep the DUP on side to prop up May's tottering government
£60 billion to the EU to cover our commitments

And that's just the figures we know. At £9 billion p.a (just over 1% of UK's annual expenditure) for EU membership that accounts for about 16 years of 'savings' from leaving. So it doesn't look as though there will be much spending on the UK going on in that time.

Ref Dyson:

in making goods in Malaysia, he is employing people who are glad of the work, this is only what many employers do btw they go where it is cheaper.

Extraordinary bit of cognitive dissonance here, lemon. On the one hand you're convinced that FOM has brought down wages in the UK (which, incidentally, research proves to be untrue) and that is a Bad Thing, and on the other hand you are applauding Dyson for manufacturing abroad where he can pay his workers even less than in the UK.

Just whose side are you on? Those poor Brit workers who've been supposedly impoverished by EU workers accepting lower wages, or, Dyson's for removing jobs from the UK and giving them to even cheaper workers?

Further to that, perhaps we will now start training our own young people to be future doctors, engineers etc.
Take doctors:

Let's not worry too much about the skills gap when skilled EU workers leave the UK and our native youth haven't actually finished their lengthy training. Let's instead consider the fact that the shortage of UK skills is not the fault of the EU but of the UK government that has found it cheaper to cut back on training young Brits and to employ already qualified non-British staff.

And, according to this article from the Daily Mail () our youngsters don't seem to be falling over themselves to train as doctors; so that's bit of a problem, you can't train people who don't want to train...

www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-4726324/Shortfall-hospital-doctors-causing-devastating-problems.html

Sorry but I really fail to see why Dyson employing people in Malaysia who are glad of the work is 'better' than employing EU workers who are glad of the work, lemongrove?

He's advertising his rubbish vacuum cleaners like mad
Just bought another one and they are brilliant!

Lemongrove:
Further to that, perhaps we will now start training our own young people to be future doctors, engineers etc.

In a recent interview of teenagers it became clear that many of them did not aspire to become doctors, engineers etc. What they wanted to become was a 'celebrity'.