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I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

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Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

whitewave Wed 06-Dec-17 08:34:57

Oh by the way Davis is being questioned about the non-existent impact assessments by the committee for Brexit I think this morning.

suzied Wed 06-Dec-17 08:23:02

“Onto the ongoing saga” should have read at top.
Yes, WW, sorry didn’t read your post , Davis now realising he is on the back foot, the EU hold all the cards, and they “don’t need us more than we need them”as he has said in the past. He is failing hopelessly at the negotiations and this is becoming more and more apparent.

suzied Wed 06-Dec-17 08:18:24

Onto the

Brexit supporters can’t be happy with the way the incompetent Davis is performing with his “no plan”- he is getting criticised from both sides now, he is definitely trying to punch above his intellectual weight, and making a complete dogs Brexit of the so- called negotiations. The laughter was coming from both sides of the commons in his pathetic speech yesterday. His days must be numbered ( hopefully). He was the one who said negations would “be sooo easy” and “of course we can stay in the single market “ (2016)

whitewave Wed 06-Dec-17 08:10:23

Did anyone notice when Davis sort of slapped JRM down in yesterday’s emergency questions? Davis was far more amenable to those on his side of which there is a big majority seeking to retain the single market and customs union.

whitewave Wed 06-Dec-17 08:06:16

One of the Lords attended a seminar presented by hmrc relating to customs and excise after Brexit. Businesses of all sizes attended, and the Lord said that they were in absolute despair calling it an utter nightmare and receiving no answer to what were extremely complex and difficult questions and major issues.

whitewave Wed 06-Dec-17 08:01:18

The loons like IDS JRM and a couple of others are beginning to demand that we walk away. What idiots, and why should 90% of Parliament listen to this small rump of fanatics?

whitewave Wed 06-Dec-17 07:57:46

Apparently what is not said are issues over Brexit within the cabinet which they know are too difficult on which to reach agreement. The House of Lords were astonished to learn that the most contentious issues are simply not being discussed, and this was one of the reasons for the debacle over Ireland. The issues etc have not been thrashed out at all.

As the Lords said “astonishing”

EUgrandma Wed 06-Dec-17 04:57:29

Thank you Mary Eliza, I may not be around everyday but intend to participate when I can.
Seems like what I thought was easy to answer is proving extremely difficult for Day6 but thats ok, have not had any answers for over 18 months. Sometimes it is more telling what is not said instead of hearing the same old, same old. It is almost funny that the rich elites like Arron Banks etc with their offshore accounts can persuade some people that they are the loving caring ones and that the remainers are the elite and richest.
Another question. As you are hopefully aware that the "corrupt" EU are intending to crackdown on extremely rich people eg Rupert Murdoch, avoiding paying tax come March 2019. Do you think this is a bad thing Day6. And is it a good thing that people like Rupert Murdoch get to influence the British public to leave the EU in......... Lets think, what date?..... Oh yes March 2019, with proven lies in their newspapers. And not forgetting Rupert has private meetings with our PM and she attends Dacres high society parties. Oh and we must not forget all the taxes Mr May pays to help finance education, health etc.... Not.
So no corruption here. And another question which will remain unanswered.

MaizieD Tue 05-Dec-17 22:45:52

.Hardly worth reading their posts, it’s all insults.

Oh, FGS, lemon. Where are the insults?

I'd be more than happy for you not to read my posts. I don't bother with yours unless I see my name in it.

MaizieD Tue 05-Dec-17 22:43:20

What's wrong with it, lemon?

Oh, which one are you talking about? the long one or the short one?

lemongrove Tue 05-Dec-17 22:25:20

Perhaps we shouldn’t be surprised Jalima as the Remainers on this thread are becoming more hysterical by the day.Hardly worth reading their posts, it’s all insults.

lemongrove Tue 05-Dec-17 22:22:52

What an awful post MaizieD ....even from you it’s a new low!

Jalima1108 Tue 05-Dec-17 22:22:46

I take it from that that you mean I am lying jura

jura2 Tue 05-Dec-17 22:18:34

a bit like white harts - they do exist...

Jalima1108 Tue 05-Dec-17 22:17:21

Of course we all know that Leavers are highly intellectual , realised all the implications, knew that leaving would be expensive and tortuous, all of them are multi lingual, multi cultural and made up their own minds, not influence by the right wing press , didn’t believe the bus etc.
Well, yes, the ones I know are.

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 21:35:10

This is an interesting article. Obviously Day6 will blame the EU for it, for migrant workers being allowed here and bringing down wages, but who would have thought the RAC would do this?

morningstaronline.co.uk/a-d871-Scourge-of-bogus-self-employment-at-the-RAC

jura2 Tue 05-Dec-17 21:28:44

Nobody can 'argue' with Day6- has she never ever puts forward any argument, or possible solution.

MaizieD Tue 05-Dec-17 21:10:44

I really wouldn't bother to argue with Day6. I just felt like having a bit of a rant wink

I expect when she dies they'll find UKIP engraved on her heart...

suzied Tue 05-Dec-17 20:52:34

It’s also rather ironic that the wealthy areas which voted reman are likely to be least affected by Brexit, the poorer areas which voted leave are more likely to get poorer.

suzied Tue 05-Dec-17 20:49:16

Of course we all know that Leavers are highly intellectual , realised all the implications, knew that leaving would be expensive and tortuous, all of them are multi lingual, multi cultural and made up their own minds, not influence by the right wing press , didn’t believe the bus etc. You don’t need to repeat it ad infinitum. Before you make the retort - we can all fill in the stuff about metropolitan elite remoaners , project fear, capitalist conspiracy, spiteful EU etc etc.

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 20:48:35

WE ONLY HAVE OPEN BORDERS BECAUSE THE GOVERNMENT WANTED IT. WE COULD HAVE CLOSED THEM BUT DIDN'T. IT'S NOT THE EU'S FAULT.

durhamjen Tue 05-Dec-17 20:46:45

"How on earth can it be the fault of the EU? Our prosperity has grown because we were a member of it. It is not the fault of the EU that that prosperity hasn't been shared fairly. It's governments who impose the austerity which has made most of us poorer, not the EU. It's governments who have given the wealthy all the tax breaks while upping indirect taxes which hit the poor the hardest. It's governments which have pared the safety nets of state provision to the very minimum, not the EU."

A much more important paragraph, Day6.

By the way, you still haven't a clue why we should not stay in, have you?

Day6 Tue 05-Dec-17 20:46:41

* people like Day6 who can only regurgitate the rubbish she's been fed by all those millionaires and billionaires who desperately want to get away from EU legislation that forces them to pay their workers at least a wage that lets them just about get by in life*

Oh more ranty stuff from Remainer Maizie, and oh the irony of this!

Ask Union chiefs about austerity and the EU depending on a migrant workforce and open borders to suppress wages and to have the poorest people compete for any job going - which they will accept at the lowest wage because they are desperate.

You are right in that billionares LOVE the EU. It's a capitalist's dream scenario with plenty of rich pickings for politicians on the gravy train too. Blair and Branson are desperate to keep us in.

A mixed bag of people from all walks of life voted to Leave Maizie. Get used to it.

Very few Gransnetters are rich yet many wanted out. Very few GNs have anything in common with the rich either, and many feel they got a poor deal from the EU and it was only getting worse. They voted to leave.

Corbyn should be ashamed that he is not fighting tooth and nail to get us out of the EU. It is a left wing cause keeping those with least in the struggle for lowly paid employment.

Day6 Tue 05-Dec-17 20:38:12

"And then, along come a load of rich people who tell them that it's all the fault of the EU that they're poor and there's no proper jobs and they all fall for it."

Such very bitter and simplistic tosh MaizieD

And once again you patronise Leavers, many of whom support Labour, and imagine that we believe all we are told. You are falling for all the EU scaremongering but cannot see it.

You know, some of us have the comprehension skills to not only read between the lines but to read around the subject too. You suggest Leavers were all led by the nose and the only message they saw before the referendum was written on the side of a bus.

You really do wear blinkers and patronise those who think differently from you and want a future out of the EU.

jura2 Tue 05-Dec-17 18:28:46

No builders, no plumbers, or carpenters, no electricians, no nurses, midwives or doctors ...

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