I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

Same with both my daughters in law, Greta.

Sorry, that was a reply to Jen.
I don't blame you for feeling like that Greta. In lots of ways I do think of France as my country now, but I am still (happily) British in France, not French.

I see twitter is reporting that Mogg and Farage are on Marr tomorrow.

They are straight out of meetings with Bannon.

The beeb is facilitating these hard right brextremists to spout their fascist twaddle.

Interesting tweet from Andrew Barnett

“There is no will of the people. It is not a single entity, but is the language of the dictator”

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-01/corbyn-heads-to-portugal-as-u-k-labour-develops-ties-with-eu

Looks like the Labour party are doing more talking to the EU than the government.

This is interesting from Sweden. They are trying to broker a deal that includes giving the 3 million the same offer they have now, but for as long as they want it, not just for the two years as it is in May's offer.

www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2017-12-01/sweden-extends-post-brexit-trade-deal-olive-branch-to-the-u-k

I see a new Survation poll on Brexit, shows that most people are worried about how Brexit will affect them.

50% want a referendum on the terms. 34% don't.
35% think they will be worse off after Brexit 14% better off. 51% don't know or neither.
Quoted by infacts and Mail online.

See full table below:

www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-5139855/Backlash-voters-say-50bn-Brexit-bill-high.html

I think Day6 you are suffering from cognitive dissonance.

In my opinion we it would be an absolute travesty if we were to leave without a final vote by parliament.

What is becoming clearer is that certainly the general population had no knowledge of the implications of leaving but neither it is daily more and more obvious did the government. In fact at least one senior brexiter has changed his mind.

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8 point lead for Labour, as well, in a Survation poll.

They need 10 to be confident.

I see Hattersley is busy trying to rubbish Momentum - arguing that labour is in crises.
He is wrong on many points of his argument as well. Didn’t anyone look at it before publication?!
8 point lead doesn’t look like crises to me.

Hattersley? Who's he?
His Spitting Image puppet is remembered better than anything he said or did.

Right-wing Labour must be getting worried if they have to wheel him out.

My grandson had to take his mother's nationality, despite being born in York, which made him Danish. His sister, five years younger and born in the UK, could have UK citizenship.

Didn't you post that before djen and said it was because his parents were not married at the time of his birth, so he had to take his mother's nationality. Of course, had Denmark allowed dual nationality he could have been granted both and there would not have been a problem.

Yes, Denmark has now changed the rules but it has caused people I know some problems over the years (they don't live in the UK btw).

Exactly what I was saying, Jalima. Apologies if you've read it before. I didn't realise that we were not allowed to repeat ourselves for new gransnetters.
Denmark has changed the rules, and the UK has changed the rules.
My grandson's parents were not married when both of their children were born. The rules changed in between them being born. They did not get married in between.

Just a chat, not telling you not to repeat it, a case of 'oh, I remember you saying that because it made me think of my friends whose situation is rather complicated too'.

If the UK stayed in the EU, they wouldn't have to choose. They could all be European.

Interesting regional study on the local economic impact of Brexit by Henry Overman at the LSE (was 'Geek of the Week' on Peston today).
www.niesr.ac.uk/blog/local-economic-impacts-brexit

The regions with the highest impact voted remain.
The regions with the least impact voted leave.

I'm afraid Hattersley's day, and argument are long gone. As have the rationale of some of the posters on here.

As I posted last night, (I think on one of the anti-Corbyn threads) one commentator was saying that the right of the LP just do not understand the democracy of a Labour Party that now has such a large number of members who don't agree with them. They - Hattersley is an example - are obsessed with destroying the left of their own party and, in the process, do not care if they destroy the party altogether. We see it on here where those who constantly attack the current leadership and thinking are usually only supported by right-wing Tories but they still cannot see the damage they are doing to 'their' Labour Party.

Of course no party belongs to any one person or small group. They could be positive about their views and grow the number in the party who agree with them. Get out there and recruit so that their opinion is heard. They do not seem to understand that you recruit from the positive not the negative - that just turns people away. What happens, sadly, is sniping from the side. We see politicians who could have had a place in the party, brought their views to bear, and had an influence, but it seems as if they feel that if they can't be top-dog, overriding the democratic process, then all they can do is make the sly and petty attacks we have seen and whinge that the party they changed is changing again.

Mamie 'In lots of ways I do think of France as my country now, but I am still (happily) British in France, not French.' ...

thanks for that. And if you had to choose one or the other - I'd get that totally. But for those of us who can - and especially for those of us married to foreign nationals and living in their country- with children born and living in thos countries - why would they not want to take up that nationality and wear it proudly together with the one of birth? For me- it was very important- and same for my OH when we retired in my home country- he doesn't feel any less British for being also Swiss.

Day 3 of the Brexit advent calendar.

In the next financial year the government will spend £1million a day just on Brexit planning

Anyone hear Farage say that he won’t be giving up his 73k pension from the EU.

“Why should my family suffer” he said

He also defended Trump re-tweeting the First Britain video.