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I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

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Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 04-Dec-17 20:38:05

Whitewave - would it be possible for you to repeat days 1 - 4 or point me to the advent calendar. It would be interesting to see them together.

petra Mon 04-Dec-17 20:39:00

durhamjen
Gosh!! I never knew that. You learn something everyday, don't you. Where would we be without GN to educate us.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 20:42:59

Can’t blue stuff gg but it’s on twitter.

I’ll try and remember they may not be in the right order

1 £ gone down 13% against the euro since the referendum
2. U.K. gone from the strongest economic growth in Europe to the lowest since the referendum
3. I can’t remember, it must be above I’ll have a look
4. That’s the nurses

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 20:45:16

Got it!

In the next financial year the government will spend £1million per day in just planning Brexit

durhamjen Mon 04-Dec-17 20:51:13

What sarcasm, petra. If you knew, why did you ask whitewave?

lemongrove Mon 04-Dec-17 21:06:59

Thank you whitewave I do my modest best.

I cannot believe hard borders will be put up btw

My DGP’s had one of those border houses.

GillT57 Mon 04-Dec-17 21:33:49

lemongrove my opinion on Brexit is no secret. I am not bitter, I am bloody furious and your bland platitudes assuring us all that actually, everything will be alright in the end make me even angrier. Your blind faith would be touching it it wasn't so terrifying.

durhamjen Mon 04-Dec-17 21:35:35

"Bankers at Morgan Stanley have told clients in their 2018 predictions that there could be another General Election in the UK towards the end of the year, when Theresa May has to admit that she could not get the Brexit deal her party wants.

Morgan Stanley warns that for those thinking of investing in the UK, the domestic situation and the prospect of nationalisation, higher taxes and Labour spending priorities could be a bigger risk than Brexit. Coming from a US bank, that recommendation will no doubt win Corbyn a few more fans."

From an article in The New European.

lemongrove Mon 04-Dec-17 22:56:19

Well Gill that sure is a frothing at the mouth response from you.
What do you want, doomsday scenarios? There are enough on GN already of those.
So, all I can say then is...tough! You don’t want platitudes.

durhamjen Mon 04-Dec-17 23:01:02

Do you know what that word means, lemon?
That's all your posts are! A bit of truth would be nice.

lemongrove Mon 04-Dec-17 23:10:14

Since your own posts are a mixture of naive sentiment and links to blogs durhamjen I don’t think you should be name calling.

lemongrove Mon 04-Dec-17 23:11:02

There! A bit of truth for you.

durhamjen Mon 04-Dec-17 23:18:02

Name calling?
Childish, lemon.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 04-Dec-17 23:53:56

Thanks whitewave.

Day6 Tue 05-Dec-17 03:49:12

"the amount we sent to the EU, after the rebate but before any money spent in the UK is counted,_is £234 million per week_ These figures look at the 2016/17 financial year,"

£234 MILLION PER WEEK....but we pay more than that because the 'rebate' the EU gives us has been taken off.

Also from this article "what we get back isn’t fully under our control."

From FullFact.

One million pounds a day (for a short period of time) to enable us to get out of this expensive, undemocratic, controlling federation is a bargain! I am more than happy to meet that particular cost and I see this as a small price to pay to be released from the shackles of Brussels. I dare say EU officials will drag the whole process out for as long as they can. No surprises there.

suzied Tue 05-Dec-17 06:41:31

It won’t be a short period of time will it? It is touching that you put your faith in the negotiating skills of this useless government who have shown their weakness all along. U turn after U turn. Blame the EU for sticking to their principles and not the UK government for prevarication and having no plan.

MaizieD Tue 05-Dec-17 07:41:11

£234 MILLION PER WEEK....but we pay more than that because the 'rebate' the EU gives us has been taken off.
We DON'T pay more than that, the 'rebate' never leaves our coffers. You're just repeating a lie designed to whip up more indignation against the EU monster. And the lie has done its perpetrators proud, hasn't it, judging by the millions who fell for it hook, line and sinker?

GracesGranMK2 Tue 05-Dec-17 07:44:01

There seems to be some consensus that it will take several decades to recover from leaving the EU.

suzied Tue 05-Dec-17 07:52:57

DUP want the same terms as the rest of the U.K. - why don’t they want the same terms for gay marriage and abortion rights?

loopyloo Tue 05-Dec-17 07:53:24

Thought we did already have some divergence with N Ireland. Often you read something like ' does not include N I' etc.
Also the DUP should be aware that if there is an election and Corbyn wins he will be for a United Ireland.

MaizieD Tue 05-Dec-17 09:03:37

That's what devolution is about, isn't it...

whitewave Tue 05-Dec-17 09:18:28

loopy

Where in the Labour Manifesto does it call for a United Ireland?

Or have you made that bit up?

lemongrove Tue 05-Dec-17 09:22:39

Since he had such close ties with the republicans, does anybody doubt that Corbyn would be all for a united Ireland?

whitewave Tue 05-Dec-17 09:26:20

Yes that’s why I asked the question, because unless evidence of such can be produced then I am afraid that I must see it as nonsense , if not a made up bit of lies - again!!

lemongrove Tue 05-Dec-17 09:47:33

tchgrin
Who said it was in the Manifesto?
But given a free choice he would be up for it,you can bet your boots!

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