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I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

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Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

suzied Wed 06-Dec-17 18:37:14

My go to plumber is a 50+ year old woman who wears a pink jumpsuit with rhinestones on. ( this is true) Is this a discussion about favourite work people?

whitewave Wed 06-Dec-17 18:38:13

It isn’t a difference of opinion! It is incredualty.

So you all recommend that governmental decisions should all be made by a wet finger in the air? That is incredible and admittedly something I have never experienced in the whole of my working life.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 18:57:13

Libdems have a petition going to get Davis to resign.
You don't have to be Libdem to sign it.

petra Wed 06-Dec-17 19:40:49

suzied
Ok, I'll give you that, but hey, nobody's perfect.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Dec-17 19:46:21

Obviously some think it is fine for members of the government to lie to Parliament. I do wonder what this government would have to do that some would not consider okay? No wonder so many have the opinion they do of those who back these frighteningly dishonest people.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 06-Dec-17 19:50:58

Petition for David Davis to resign

petra Wed 06-Dec-17 19:53:37

GracesGran
They are politicians. It's been many years since I expected anything else from them.

jura2 Wed 06-Dec-17 19:55:44

I've not signed it yet - because I feel David Davis is not alone in this. Mrs May and the whole GVT KNEW they did not exist- and for a whole year and again and again recently- allowed him to continue to lie, on official duty to the GVT. They are all in this together.

As said on another thread, we might even have been sold another massive GVT lie today- pretending to sacrifice DD as a lying baffoon - when in fact the assessments DO exist, but they won't share them as they are so dire. As they don't want to be in contempt - they have to sacrifice one of theirs - and DD may even have volunteered as he wants out, as he knows he is totally out of his depths.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 20:01:37

Read the article on the other thread, jura.

jura2 Wed 06-Dec-17 20:11:46

Wow - thanks. Sacrificing DD would be so easy- and this is what they want to hide behind. Imagine DD actually volunteered himself- as he wants out as he is so totally out of his depth.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 21:20:35

"In a resolution, the committee said: "That, in view of the statement that no impact assessments have been undertaken, the Committee considers that the Government’s response to the resolution of the House of 1 November has complied with the terms of that resolution.”

However pro-Remain Labour MP Chuka Umunna said he had written to Speaker John Bercow, urging him to consider whether Mr Davis had misled Parliament.

He posted on Twitter: "In light of the finding of the [committee] this evening that the Brexit impact assessments don't exist, I have written to the Speaker to ask him to consider whether the Government have misled the House of Commons since the Brexit Secretary told us last year they did exist." "

From the i.

jura2 Wed 06-Dec-17 21:44:23

Is he lying about lying though ?

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 21:48:01

That's doing my head in! He's not the only one who is doing that.
I don't understand why the DUP are supporting him in his lying about lying, unless they are doing it, too.

At least Alan B'Stard was a fictional lying toad of an MP for Haltemprice.

Jalima1108 Wed 06-Dec-17 21:59:47

So you all recommend that governmental decisions should all be made by a wet finger in the air?
um, didn't say I agreed with it, not sure about anyone else but dismissing someone else's opinions as a joke is rather rude.

Anyway, who are you all - everyone on here but you?

MaizieD Wed 06-Dec-17 22:26:54

I rather think 'you all' refers to Leavers.

Who seem remarkably unbothered by the fact that there are no impact assessments and that Davis has been lying through his teeth for the last 18 months.

Jalima1108 Wed 06-Dec-17 22:28:45

Well, it was in reply to me so I was confused

Primrose65 Wed 06-Dec-17 22:45:27

So what's the difference between an impact assessment and a finger in the air? Seriously. Does anyone have any experience of complexity modelling or programming Monte Carlo simulations? I'm not sure you understand what you're complaining about. Happy for you to tell me how ridiculous this is if you can explain why.

I doubt they could tell you anything you don't already know, given the posts about Brexit to date.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 22:47:08

You tell us seeing as you seem to know it all.

durhamjen Wed 06-Dec-17 23:28:48

www.indy100.com/article/brexit-bus-online-game-addictive-uk-politics-eu-pound-value-fun-brussels-theresa-may-8091461

Primrose65 Wed 06-Dec-17 23:31:55

They'll need to create an 'Eddie the Eagle' game if McDonnell takes over at the treasury - a bus couldn't handle the gradient grin

MaizieD Wed 06-Dec-17 23:37:44

Daily Mail economics again, Primrose?

Eloethan Wed 06-Dec-17 23:45:27

In terms of the EU impact assessment, I suppose the idea is to look at what is presently in place, to then see what areas will change significantly and then to try and extrapolate from that the likely outcomes - eg will manufacturing, fisheries, farming, academia, research and development, public services, etc, etc, etc., be likely to benefit or suffer as a result of leaving the EU/single market?

Surely, such assessments are carried out - admittedly on a much smaller scale - by most people when making major decisions. When contemplating a move to another area, (wise) people assess a number of things eg: commuting time and cost/local rates of pay, number and quality of schools/hospitals, etc., to try and work out how their lives are likely to be differently impacted if they choose to move to the area and how some possible negative effects could be compensated for.

My understanding is that it was originally stated that detailed impact assessments had been done but that it now transpires that no, or no meaningful, assessments were made. If these assessments are so pointless, why initially lie about having done them?

whitewave Thu 07-Dec-17 07:42:12

primrose

DS has in his working life continually carrying out impact assessments. He now simply arranges for them to be carried out where he thinks they are necessary. Part of his masters trained him in just that. I very much know what they are, what they are used for and their extreme importance.

Decisions made in my working life were frequently made underpinned by a detailed impact assessment report.

If you think or suggest they are a waste of money then you have clearly never been responsible for decisions at a relatively high level.

Primrose65 Thu 07-Dec-17 09:08:45

Then your DS will understand the difference between an engineering impact assessment where the variables can be calculated or are known, and one for Brexit, where they cannot.

Your assessment of my working life highlights how a lack of information about something leads to hugely inaccurate statements.

whitewave Thu 07-Dec-17 09:31:38

Why on earth do you think that variables cannot be calculated.

If you truly believe that we cannot possibly know the impact of Brexit, then supporting such a venture is folly indeed

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