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I see the EU Remainers' PROJECT FEAR is alive and well.

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Day6 Thu 23-Nov-17 17:54:27

I look forward to us leaving the EU.

The scare-mongering Remainers write post after post predicting how awful it will be. (Yes, predicting...)

Anyone would think we were incapable of knowing right from wrong and desperately in need of Brussels to guide us, to make our laws, to impose trading tariffs, generally control us, tell us who we have to accept into the country and take BILLIONS from us for the privilege of that control.

Project Fear - we have recognised it.

We need to get on with leaving the EU, pronto, but Remainers delight in the delays, mostly caused by terrified EU officials worried about EU budgets and the UK forging ahead without it's stranglehold.

Optimism rules. Let's bin Project Fear. We see it for what it is.

suzied Fri 08-Dec-17 17:00:22

it will be the single market and CU but just called something like "a UK bespoke arrangement".

lemongrove Fri 08-Dec-17 17:00:45

Not that old chestnut again WW......the Leavers on here have been supplying you with ‘why’ for 18 months, move on!

whitewave Fri 08-Dec-17 17:01:35

You don’t know do you lemon

GracesGranMK2 Fri 08-Dec-17 17:04:53

I agree it looks like Norway or something very close too it. Sadly May seems to like re-inventing the wheel, as you say whitewave, but I think your duck analogy will probably hold true.. Nicola Sturgeon seems to be saying she thought that was the best way to go and, much as May may not like it she does need to take the whole country with her not just the advisory 37%.

There will always be more in the middle ground of any decision than there are at the extremes so it would be much easier for her to carry something like that.

Primrose65 Fri 08-Dec-17 17:06:26

whitewave It's been stated that asking people for their opinion is tantamount to bullying. I'm sure GracesGranMk2 can explain this if clarification is needed. I didn't bother, as I accepted it without question.

I apologised immediately when it was pointed out to me that this is the case.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 08-Dec-17 17:09:53

I see the oleaginous Uriah Gove has been here, there and everywhere. I would trust what he says about as much as I would trust the character he reminds me of.

Jalima1108 Fri 08-Dec-17 17:09:59

Ah - I think opinions are considered to be worthless or so I have seen posted - just that, opinions.
It is links to what are essentially other people's opinions that count.

whitewave Fri 08-Dec-17 17:10:10

primrose I apologise immediately as I really should have known better than to expect a brexiter to have a clue.

Primrose65 Fri 08-Dec-17 17:13:55

Jalima Yes - I just don't get that. I'm more interested in what people think themselves, rather than finding other people who agree with me and using that to justify what I think.

Primrose65 Fri 08-Dec-17 17:14:38

ww You don't need to apologise to me!

Jalima1108 Fri 08-Dec-17 17:23:06

I would say that that is only my opinion Primrose but I have seen it posted elsewhere on threads.

whitewave Fri 08-Dec-17 17:24:42

Imo I actually don’t need to apologise to anyone

varian Fri 08-Dec-17 17:55:24

Not everyone is happy with the latest move, certainly not UKIP as reported by the Daily Express.

www.express.co.uk/news/uk/889834/Brexit-news-latest-Barnier-Brexit-UK-EU-Theresa-May-David-Davis-European-Union-video

jura2 Fri 08-Dec-17 19:18:58

Suzied : ,Its a bit galling that someone born in NI can be both a British and EU citizen though.,

lots of posts to that effect on FB - people are furious that people in NI who voted for Brexit will have EU rights - and not remainers in UK.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 08-Dec-17 19:33:35

From the Economist:

Yet the real worry for Mrs May may now be within her own party. Brexiteers have accepted all the concessions she has made thus far because they are set on the ultimate goal of leaving the EU in March 2019. But as they consider the terms of the joint report, they may jib at the implicit promise that Britain will maintain close regulatory alignment with many of the single market’s rules even after leaving the club. That seems inconsistent with their dream of tearing up all Brussels regulations and opening the way to free-trade deals with lots of third countries. In future talks this contradiction could come to haunt Mrs May.

GracesGranMK2 Fri 08-Dec-17 19:34:34

Theresa May’s Brexit breakfast breakthrough

The link for above

whitewave Fri 08-Dec-17 19:35:00

I see the EU has just completed the biggest trade deal ever negotiated in the world with Japan.

Pity we aren’t part of it

suzied Fri 08-Dec-17 19:43:59

We’ll we might be through the NI backdoor.

whitewave Fri 08-Dec-17 19:58:30

I’ve just read that The Japanese deal represents 30% of the world’s GDP -is that correct? shock

varian Fri 08-Dec-17 20:02:49

There should be no regulatory discrepancies between NI and the rest of the UK. Surely everyone born in any part of our United Kingdom should be able to retain the rights we have at present as citizens of the European Union, not just those born in NI.

If those who voted leave do not want these rights they need not have them. The leavers could exempt themselves personally from the rights that the rest of us want to keep.

durhamjen Fri 08-Dec-17 20:12:31

No, varian, they don't want them and they want to deny them to the rest of us.

suzied Fri 08-Dec-17 20:14:33

Everyone in. The U.K. should be given the option of being an EU citizen as well. No one who doesn’t want it need apply.

durhamjen Fri 08-Dec-17 20:16:32

infacts.org/hey-brexiters-please-remind-us-whats-point-brexit/

Jalima1108 Fri 08-Dec-17 20:22:00

If we're not members of the EU I don't really see how we can remain EU citizens.
Unless those of us who already are can retain that and those who are born after a certain date will not be able to.

It seems that NI will be gaining EU citizenship by the back door.

Primrose65 Fri 08-Dec-17 20:33:50

ww no, 30% of global GDP is not correct! Even the sum of the whole EU and Japanese economy is not 30%, so the deal cannot be worth more than the whole of the value of the economies combined.

I don't think it will make a huge amount of difference to EU countries, as the Japanese market is about 2% of their total exports. It will probably grow a bit more, but it's not likely to be a significant market. Japan already has tariff-free car manufacturing within the EU too.

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