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The Irish question

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varian Sun 26-Nov-17 15:09:43

Some of us would like more than anything to remain in the EU, along with our Irish friends, but if we have to leave then at least we hope to remain in the single market and customs union.

If the extreme brexiteers have their way this will not happen. The Republic of Ireland will keep free movement of people, goods and services with the rest of the EU. We will not keep any of these freedoms, so what will happen at the Irish border?

mostlyharmless Mon 04-Dec-17 20:57:01

Holding the Government to ransom.
Is this what the Leave voters wanted?

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 20:51:57

Suggestion that they are in cahoots with the loons. Wonder if Maybot will face them down?

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 20:46:37

That’s what I’ve heard.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 04-Dec-17 20:40:05

I hope this isn't true but just catching up with Channel 4 news and they are reporting that the DUP is asking for more money in exchange for a deal.

mostlyharmless Mon 04-Dec-17 20:14:04

A Norway type deal or EEA or a customs union deal of some sort would be better than a hard Brexit.
But just staying in would be the best deal.

GracesGranMK2 Mon 04-Dec-17 19:57:55

Mostly, I think May's first problem would be that the DUP could bring her government down. I also think that although the Conservatives have liked to believe they are 'Parliament' they have had to accept they are not - they are only the government and a minority one at that.

If you think that a Norway style deal is probably the best we could get then Arlene Foster is your hero for the current five minutes as what they need will push us in that direction imo.

durhamjen Mon 04-Dec-17 19:55:57

It has been suggested that she has a referendum along the border. It will still annoy Arlene Foster, but at least she will know the will of the people.

mostlyharmless Mon 04-Dec-17 19:50:50

And just stay in!

mostlyharmless Mon 04-Dec-17 19:50:25

So May has to placate every crackpot interest group in her party? Impossible.
And that ignores all the Remain voters interest groups. London, Scotland etc etc.
Might as well give up now.

trisher Mon 04-Dec-17 19:19:24

mostlyharmless remember the full title of the Conservatives is the Conservative and Unionist Party. There are significant numbers in the party who would agree with Arlene Foster and May is subject to their will.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 19:18:40

Don’t forget she has the loons to deal with as well. I reckon Johnson and Gove are amongst them, as remember the warning red line letter they wrote excluding Davis?

jura2 Mon 04-Dec-17 19:13:46

How does Norway deal work - like with Switzerland, it is based on free movement of people.

mostlyharmless Mon 04-Dec-17 19:07:31

Can't May ignore Arlene Foster and her crew? NI voted Remain. Does the DUP really represent them?

Couldn't May tough it out without the DUP?

Norway deal (or similar customs union deal) or EEA route makes sense.

varian Mon 04-Dec-17 18:28:20

I would hope that other parties would support a "Norway" deal, even if it is less acceptable than remaining in the EU. The better option would be a referendum when terms are known with the choice between negotiated deal and staying in. But a "Norway" solution is certainly better than jumping off the cliff.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 16:21:18

It was always going to happen wasn’t it? Tail wagging the dog.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 14:56:00

DUP are cross aren’t they?

The question is if Maybot can take parliament with her over Norway, does she need either the loons or the DUP? My guess is not.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 14:49:52

Meeting behind closed doors with Tory MPs at 4pm. Like to be a fly on the wall.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 14:35:09

Kuenssberg tweeted

Possible Norway deal

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 14:30:53

The Irish question is quickly morphing into a real crises! As most expected.

May is suggesting as far as I can understand that regulatory alignment for NI breaks the Good Friday Agreement, so is she talking about regulatory realignment for the whole of the U.K.? Can anyone enlight3n me confused

Morgana Mon 04-Dec-17 13:49:35

Maybe they had all this planned and all the ifs buts and maybes were just to lead us to this place? Not likely I know given the incompetence of the government.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 12:20:18

I am beginning to think that lack of preparation by our shower of a government is really beginning to be obvious now.

They have accepted both the bill, and the citizens rights - ECJ - which is the EUs stand, and now the RoI insistence on a sea border at the minimum.

Have they actually contributed anything intelligent? Actually probably not give Davis’s renowned laziness.

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 12:07:08

So does that mean a sea border? Isn’t that what Ireland wanted?

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 11:59:27

I await the Scottish claim to “no regulatory divergence”

Will of the people and all that

whitewave Mon 04-Dec-17 11:55:56

A major wobbly I would think mamie

Mamie Mon 04-Dec-17 11:46:45

And how will Arlene react?