The Irish question

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Brussels will defend Ireland; they look after their own. Why should they take our side against them? It must be nice to belong to a huge organisation that puts your interests first. Maybe we should join something like that one day...

So Brussels has formally announced that Ireland will get the final veto - no surprises there. Sinn Fein has announced that if the Tories prioritise the DUP over the Northern Irish will of the people, then Ireland should use the veto.

No surprises there either. Pity Sinn Fein doesn’t put principles of a life time aside and threaten to take their seats in Westminster.

Some may not realise that Smithy!

Was that tongue in cheek nfk?

We love the Irish (apart from a few) but Ireland would never agree (and quite right too!)

Sounds easy hey !

Now where were you during your history lessons - or do you actually believe in miracles and that pigs can and do fly - honestly

I think I've got it!

What..... if.....Eire.....joins.....the......UK!

That would give an united Ireland which they want, the North stays in the UK which they want and No border!!

Solved!

Thank you for directing us to the mumsnet thread MaizieD www.mumsnet.com/Talk/in_the_news/a3096781-What-do-people-think-is-most-likely-to-happen-with-the-Irish-UK-border.

What is quite striking is that there are very few mumsnetters who admit to voting leave, and even those that do , don't seem to have an answer to the Irish question.

I know that younger folk voted Remain in larger numbers than oldies did, and perhaps mumsnetters are not a random cross section of young parents, but it is so noticeable that many of them feel angry and even despairing about the brexit vote. They feel that their children are being cheated of the opportunities which the EU gave us.

As you say many of these posters live or have lived in Ireland, (either or both parts) and well understand the dangers presented by a return to a hard border. I also notice that this thread has filled up very quickly. I wonder what has to happen for the whole brexit nonsense to just stop.

www.instituteforgovernment.org.uk/explainers/ireland-brexit

Even more experts!

Yes! Undoubtedly portillo and other of his kind are echoing trump in the insistence that Ireland pays for something they never wanted.

An excellent article by Ian Dunt.

www.politics.co.uk/blogs/2017/11/27/irish-border-nationalist-brexit-rhetoric-gets-ugly

I wonder when the Irish question will be on the OpenBritain Advent calendar.

And of course we must not forget that we were told in no uncertain terms that there would never need to be a border by the leave campaign. Anything else they declared was project fear.

No I’m saying that he has entirely overlooked the Good Friday Agreement

whitewave - do you mean because trade talks can't go ahead until the Irish border question is settled? I did wonder about that. Or do you mean something different?

Then he misses the point entirely.

Did you see Michael Portillo on the Andrew Neil prog last night? He didn't see the Irish border problem as a problem at all. He said we should do nothing and if the EU want a border there they can instigate it themselves.

the massive problem is - with the GVT in such a weak position- they probably are ...

I do wonder how far this unstable government will go in allowing the tail to wag the dog. DUP likes to think it is calling the shots.

I see Sky is reporting that the Irish government has been told to ignore Johnson by the FO. Not sure what his point is really.

I can’t see any bias in the BBC either way about the referendum or the negotiations.

I really can't see that at all...

As many Leavers seem convinced that the BBC is treacherously pro Remain it's a bit of a conundrum...

I'm sure that the BBC must have been warned off showing their Remain colours in the last year.
After the referendum the BBC seemed shocked and unbelieving at the result, but in recent months, they seem not to press hard with questions about Brexit. Some, like John Humphreys and Dimbleby seem blatantly pro Brexit. Nick Robinson definitely tows the Tory line.
Andrew Marr doesn't seem to question blatant Brexit lies as in the recent James Dyson interview.
I'm afraid I don't think of the BBC as an impartial source of news any more.