The Irish question

Cold enough up here, GracesGran, to not need woad today.

I just wonder what is going to happen when the leave voters realise that the EU was never the problem - it was their own government.

It's the vision of the leavers taking us backwards Jen. I just wonder how far.

They'd never admit to the government being the problem, GracesGran.
What's happened to Cameron? Keeping a low profile.

Why do you think he bought the shed?

Maisie, is that the royal 'we' or have you been appointed as spokesperson for the forum, if the latter you do not speak for me

Oh, sorry Ab, did you not know that Wales is a separate country of the UK? I thought everyone did. That's why I said 'we'.

But Maizie, because you think something it doesn't follow everyone thinks the same as you

I think Wales is a separate country.

infacts.org/labour-takes-step-towards-sane-brexit-policy/

It's good to see Labour favouring a softer line on Brexit dj.

Just the little problem of overthrowing the Tory Government now!

Oh the indignation! If countries (Wales and Scotland) want to go their own way, who are we in England to hold them against their will, unless we intend to behave like Spain! Ditto NI; If, in the unlikely event, they want to join the South, again, who are we to stop them. The division of Ireland was a recipe for constant discord from its conception to the present day, and should have never happened.

David Davis has to have his impact assessments in parliament tomorrow, otherwise the government is in contempt.
Still hope for an overthrow, mostlyharmless.

I forgot about the shed, GracesGran. Has he finished writing his book yet?

What durhamjen an army takeover? Like in Zimbabwe?

Or a vote of no confidence in the Government could do it.

Will anyone buy it when he does Jen?

I can't remember a time (doesn't mean it hasn't happened but I think I would remember) when a government has got to the point of being in contempt of court. I don't think this will be the end of them being involved with the courts either unless they manage to realise that Parliament holds the authority and the government can only use that parliamentary authority if they have a decent majority.

Interesting times.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/nov/27/mps-attack-david-davis-for-handing-over-redacted-brexit-reports

Edited versions handed over today. Even Jacob Rees-Mogg says they could be in contempt. Have you ever known him to disagree with the government? Maybe he's after a job.
He'd probably be a better foreign secretary than Boris. Couldn't be worse.

infacts.org/solve-irish-question-stay-eu/

Here's the answer to the Irish question. So simple, really.

infacts.org/solve-irish-question-stay-eu/

Here's the answer to the Irish question. So simple, really.

That's an if only solution Durhamjen , I second it.

This is an interesting presentation of an Irish point of view with a commentary on English politicians behaviour:

www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ignorance-of-irish-history-means-brexit-talks-will-not-end-well

(I removed some of the link, hope it works).

I stopped and read some comments on Facebook today to a post by the MEP, Molly Scott Cato. The nastiest and rudest comments were from self identified leave voters and, as always, if you take a quick look at their profile pages they are always full of unpleasant racist, anti-immigrant images and statements along with slogans like 'we got through two World Wars on our own and we can do it again'. And leave voters may protest otherwise but the majority viewpoint of the Leave side are evidently and sadly backward looking, ill informed and inward looking at a point when the world needs cooperation and communication. Treating other countries with disdain and as objects to be ripped off in trade deals is hardly the way forward.

www.irishtimes.com/business/economy/ignorance-of-irish-history-means-brexit-talks-will-not-end-well-1.3305818

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2017/11/28/chaos-is-not-the-will-of-the-people/

Not just about Ireland, but it is about the way it is being treated.
Murphy thinks the most likely thing to happen is Sinn Fein coming to the rescue.

Well, as the old slogan says "England's difficulty is Ireland's opportunity".

Azie09 you do realise that over 17 million voted for leaving the EU including all manner of people including many, many politicians, teachers, business people ( especially small ones) and other professions.All backward looking and ill informed?
You are making the same lazy mistake that others do on forums, lumping all together as the same.
Just as not all who voted for Remain did it because they were scared of leaving the EU, or had no vision, or thought it may stop them holidaying in Europe ( although some did.)
It’s happening, we are leaving and although Eire has never been a friend to the UK as NI has (and is) and it’s going to be made difficult for us, never doubt that it can and will be
done.

You're worried about it being made difficult for us . What about the people in Ireland? That just about sums up the mentality of brexit voters [imo]. Again, I'm disgusted...