Party leaders

OK let's just state once again for those who are reading into this more than is actually there.
Firstly candidates will not be selected by Momentum, the selection process will remain the same.
Candidates who want Momentum's support will be asked to sign. Those who do will have the support of Momentum members.
Candidates who do not sign will still stand
All MPs elected will be supported.

It would be good if people could actually stick to the facts rather than creating imaginary arguments.

Momentum has several lined up to take his crown,

pogs principles a pity you didn’t address the second half of my post.

Why should that be a problem annie or are you objecting to anyone other than your brand of labour, which at the moment I am not at all clear what that would be.

Perhaps a clue would be in who you would like for leader. But I won’t hold my breath that you will answer that.

whitewave

" pogs principles hmm a pity you didn’t address the second half of my post"

I answered your question addressed to me and the rest of your post didn't make much sense to be honest.

Oh well never mind pogs i doubt you would have been able to enlighten me so I can live with that.

whitewave, I don't 'do' brands of labour, i joined the Labour Party, have stayed with the Labour Party, i am speaking of a party which had principles I supported, I do not support the Momentum-Corbyn party but they are not Labour as I and three generations in my family before me supported - one who was involved with the birth of the party.

with respect Annie I think you are confused ,you dont appear to be a socialist at all on many threads you have much more in common with the Tory party.I too have family who were in at the inception of the Labour party and who were suffragettes .My G knew Keir Hardie and she and he would be birling in their graves at how the party has been the past couple of decades .Corbyn is certainly more left wing than Blair ..or Brown who was a major disappointment BUT he is not what I grew up to believe a socialist was .The core beliefs of the party were founded on what you believe is Christianity ...Corbyn has voted against (abstained) any bills that offer help to the poor ,the sick ,the vulnerable and has supported the conservatives by the back door through his actions...or lack of.

It's OK trisher. Come the glorious revolution at the next election, I'm sure John McDonnell can raise enough cash to nationalise unaccountable privately owned companies like Momentum.

Nobody's pushed himself onto the NEC, primrose.
The voting starts now and lasts until January 12th. How do you know who is on the NEC?
Lansman is on the ballot paper, but so is Eddy Izzard.

Paddyann, I think it is you who is confused, I dislike Corbyn but to accuse him of helping the tories ?

Well, Annie he did (maybe still does) want to come out of Europe - even though it's just for his own agenda.

I read through this thread in the hope of finding out more about Momentum, what the 'grass roots' stuff is that it supports. I also looked at their website. Zilch. If you want to find out what Momentum does you have to join either that or the Labour Party. I wonder how many of the members were just curious people looking to find what they do that's different from the Labour Party, and who now can't get out.

The OP asks ... would you be content for your party candidates to sign a loyalty to the leader clause ... The OP also asks us to answer the question regardless of party so I must assume the OP believes this applies to all parties in some way.

Firstly could I ask for some clarification from the OP and for some facts on this. As far as I am aware all MPs have to pledge allegiance to the Queen. I have seen no change to add Party leader's to this. What authority is asking all the Parties to do this? If so, which of the parties is compliant? What is happening to people standing as independents?

I have to say, in these days of fake news and false truth I do wonder if, in fact, any Party is asking this of their MPs. I am sure most people would agree that after the lies we heard during the referendum and seeing what is happening in America, where their leader's supporters can declare that it doesn't matter if a video is real or false as long as it gives the message they want to put out, we should all be assiduous in tracking down and identifying such fake news, false truth and pure propaganda.

I would want factual chapter and verse - a copy of what they have to sign and which Party is making their MPs do this before I even start to answer the OP.

annie you constantly cite as your credentials your past loyalty and your families support of the LP over 3 generations.

There are many of us on GN I am sure who could say the same. But we understand it counts for nothing if we no longer stand together to fight the widening injustices in our society.

But what matters is not what we or our families have supported in the past, what matters for our children and grandchildren is what we do now. Past loyalty means nothing, if you consistently try to undermine the good that the current LP is trying to achieve.

Your loyalty to the LP has clearly gone. Everything you say sings that out as clear as a bell.

What any Gnetter feels or thinks is irrelevant whitewave if what they are using as their premise is simply not true. Either Parties are or are not asking "party candidates to sign a loyalty to the leader clause". I cannot find any information supporting that. Nothing offered on this thread that is factual supports this.

It is spin, an untruth, fake news, whatever you want to call it. No Party is asking its candidates to sign any such thing.

There is very little point in discussing something that isn't true and isn't happening.

You are rightgg and everyone knows you are right. It simply suits some to continue with the nonsense in order (whatever they say to the contrary) to undermine the LP.

It is simply an ongoing effort to prevent Labour becoming the next government.

I have seen the Whataboutery whitewave and will no longer get sucked in.

The opening post is incorrect. No party has asked it's MPs to sign the suggested document.

There s so much “whataboutery” on GN. It gets very tedious.

Just unpick the point that is being made and don't bow to it whitewave and keep repeating the actual truth.

The opening post is incorrect. No party has asked it's MPs to sign the suggested document.

whitewave, I was asked a questioned and answered it , it it's my concern for my grandchildren which causes me to fear the end of the Labour Party and the reawaking of the communist party .

The opening post is incorrect. No party has asked it's MPs to sign the suggested document.

“Whataboutery” is so tedious

Oh dear, yet again over excited GG, read the O/P it does not say any party had stated it was to ask prospective candidates to sign a loyalty clause , how can it be fake news, very of the moment dear, when it has not been claimed it was to happen.

No matter the Party you support or are considering supporting would you be content for your party candidates to sign a loyalty to the leader clause

The opening post is incorrect. No party has asked it's MPs to sign the suggested document.

And it does not say any party has asked , do give up dear,