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Waste of time Lemon, it's just a need to be fed

The OP descibes candidates as "not being allowed to stand" . No one will be unable to stand. Presumably if a candidtae feels they have more support locally than just members of Momentum they will not need the support of Momentum and will not sign.
As for the freedom to vote with one's conscience, given the abuse that Annie has thrown at Corbyn for doing just that it is a bit of a joke that she is suddenly all in favour of it.

Abuse? How silly, is he such a tender creature , if so he needs to get out of politics and back to his allotments

Honestly, this is a joke, politicians are criticised with the exception of Corbyn ,criticism becomes abuse, how sad to say such nonsense

Back on your hobbyhorse, Annie. That's why you started this thread, while pretending it was just general. It wasn't at all.

You criticise Momentum, yet you don't criticise the 1922 committee, Progress or Labour First.
You must know about them because you mention Labour List, which supports Labour First and Progress.

I wonder why that is.

I do not criticise the 22 committee because it is made up of back bench MP's who are MP's because they were voted in by the people. Momentum were not voted into power .

So just carry on wondering, I have far more important things to wonder about,

Labour First?
Progress?

Are they companies run to support one person?

Watching the paper review there was a mention of Momentum quoting Roy Hattersley. The comment by one of the reviewers was interesting.

This is a ridiculous story, run on repeat by the Observer and by other papers who seem really weirdly obsessed by Labour's process and seem to see the Labour Party and Momentum, which is the grass roots group of Labour and Corbyn leadership supporters, as somehow infiltrating the Party [laughter at this point]. I think it, you know, I think they are just struggling to understand basic concepts of democracy which is that the Labour Party now has over half a million members. They are very enthusiastic, they canvassed and campaigned during the election which I think led to that success, for the Labour Party in that election. And, you know, if the right of the party doesn't like the candidates that are being democratically elected there is nothing to stop the right of the party getting people to join Labour and do its own canvassing. They really need to ask themselves why that isn't happening because the reason it's not happening is because they are not able to generate any kind of appeal for the policies that they have. So it seems like instead of actually addressing that issue they have decided to become obsessed with democratic processes that are happening across the country with the party now.

The other paper reviewer then added that

One thing, Labour is not in trouble (as Hattersley had implied) it's doing very, very well. It did well in the last election and some policies are now well ahead. The second thing is that maybe the left does do some damage to the parties reputation, does prevent it winning in some areas but so does disunity. I am sure that Labour now, or in the past few months has lost at least as many votes as a consequence of right-wing rebellion as it has as a consequence of left-wing policy. The voters at the last general election looked at Labour's platform and 40% of them, which astonished me, I didn't predict that, quite liked it. So I don't see any reason why they should change their mind because Roy Hattersley has said it's a moment of disaster - which it plainly isn't.

The Servation Poll - the only poll that called the last election correctly - is giving Labour an 8 point lead.

The second commentator I quoted was Tim Stanley, who writes for the Telegraph so hardly a "Corbynista". The first was Rachel Shabi, a Guardian writer.

trisher

You mention the Conservative 1922 Committee .

The 1922 Committee are MP's they are NOT as Momentum is ' at present' a lobby group/ think tank.

They are no different to the Parliamentary Labour Party who we all remember once took a vote of No Confidence in Jeremy Corbyn.

The two are not in the same league.

Interestingly this brings us back to the point of the Momentum quest for 'candidates' who will if elected become members of the Parliamentary Labour Party to sign up to what can only be called a sort of ' Oath of Alliegence ' to Momentum and Jeremy for Leader .

And momentum are very busy now in Plymouth, they are targeting people to join them, these will then become party members and come selection of a candidate - bingo

So at last count there were approx. 600000 Labour Party members.

Each of those can vote for a Labour Party candidate.

At last count there were approx. 31000 Momentum members.

If they are also Labour Party members they can vote for a Labour Party candidate.

To suggest that they pose an existential threat to the Labour Party is stretching credulity.

Of course it is POGS and it has no hidden agenda and isn't responsible for much of the mess we are now in. On the other hand

It would be hard to exaggerate the role of the '22 executive in Britain leaving the EU. When Cameron agreed to a EU referendum in January 2013, it was to unite the dissident backbenches and see off potential challenges to his authority; challenges that would have been led by the 1922 executive, almost all of whom are staunch Europhobes.
When they're not leading us into another recession, the '22 get to decide the small matter of who will be our next Prime Minister. May was only confirmed as Tory leader after Brady consulted with the 1922 membership.
While they're still a way off Bullingdon Club levels of public notoriety, the '22 are far more obnoxious. An assortment of men in wife-bought navy-and-grey suits, they quietly fuck shit up for the British people from the comfort of Westminster private dining rooms and expansive Thamesside offices. They're the most powerful group of politicians you've never heard of. And if you still don't care about them, that's fine. But know this for absolute certain: unless you're a fellow Brexit-supporting millionaire with a "normal" family life, they definitely won't care about you, either.

Still let's all be afraid of a group of well meaning activists and ignore the elephant in the room.

Some well meaning activists

I thought only Labour party members could join Momentum anyway. Some of you seem to suggest it's the other way round.

"Interestingly this brings us back to the point of the Momentum quest for 'candidates' who will if elected become members of the Parliamentary Labour Party to sign up to what can only be called a sort of ' Oath of Alliegence ' to Momentum and Jeremy for Leader ."

The 1922 Committee does not ask anybody / could not ask any potential 'candidates' to sign up to a 'loyalty test' to Theresa May for Leader or to ' Commit to the following standards, which follow on from the 1922 Committee code of Ethics' .

As for your post which says " they quietly fuck shit up for the British people" perhaps we have a difference of opinion as to who and what we consider to do that.

pogs not at the moment but Maybot has had her orders and is intent on stripping the local Tory party from its role in candidate selection. I suspect that the 1922 will loom larg3 in election once that role has been taken back to Westminster

dj I’m sure you can be a member of Momentum and not a LP member, but I may be wrong. It is probably easy to find out.

You do not have to be a L P member to join Momentum

Well meaning activists..... yes, right!

You DO have to be a member of the Labour party to join
^WHO IS ELIGIBLE TO JOIN MOMENTUM?
Anyone is eligible for Momentum membership provided they meet the following criteria:

Aged 14 or over
Is a member of the Labour Party and no other political party nor an organisation disallowed by the National Coordination Group
Agrees to be bound by the rules of Momentum, including its code of ethics.^
I would have thought you would have known this Annie being such a Labour supporter.

Thanks, trisher. I thought I'd read it somewhere.

Yes a Labour Party member, why would I know about Momentum, I leave that for the far left

Thanks trish us far lefters don’t know a lot do we