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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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whitewave Sat 30-Dec-17 13:16:03

Get this folks!

Johnson is cutting funding to Asian embassies in order to pay for EU diplomates. grin

You couldn’t make it up.

mostlyharmless Sat 30-Dec-17 13:43:31

So Lord Adonis resigned from his cross party National Infrastructure Commission and Alan Milburn resigned (with the rest) from the Social Mobility Commission only a few weeks ago.

Both are saying that their recommendations were being ignored and even obstructed by a Government that only pays lip service to equality issues across the country (and in Lord Adonis's view is obsessed by achieving a Brexit that will damage the UK for generations).

But it is a sad loss when cross-Party groups full of talented, dedicated people, are unable to make progress with these important social and economic issues.

Does resigning make this worse? Should they keep battling on to make their point of view heard? Or does the resignation itself achieve the public outcry the issues deserve?

whitewave Sat 30-Dec-17 14:10:12

I think that what we have to take from this is that the Government will allow no crticism whatsoever. There is no alternative but to resign in order to be heard.

whitewave Sat 30-Dec-17 14:13:43

Don’t forget that Adonis is to the right, so it just shows how far towards the extremists May has gone.

mostlyharmless Sat 30-Dec-17 14:55:33

Unfortunately true ww.
So hypocritical to set up these commissions with worthy objectives and then deliberately prevent them achieving anything.

durhamjen Sat 30-Dec-17 17:03:42

Even more incompetence.

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/30/olympic-legacy-assets-charities

Or maybe robbing ordinary people is hardwired into the government psyche.

GracesGranMK2 Sat 30-Dec-17 21:04:49

Good questions mostly Sat 30-Dec-17 13:43:31. I start to wonder just what will be uncovered when the stone that is this government is eventually overturned.

durhamjen Sat 30-Dec-17 22:40:16

Perhaps this question should be the other way round.
The Conservative Party can only lose its sense of competence if it had one in the first place.
It certainly had a sense of entitlement, particularly the government, which it is hanging onto, unfortunately.
Apologies if anyone has said this before.

durhamjen Sat 30-Dec-17 23:45:07

www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2017/dec/30/lord-adonis-resignation-brexit-policy-theresa-may-whitehall-morale-collapsed

Adonis's first interview since he resigned.

durhamjen Sat 30-Dec-17 23:54:25

"It is an open secret that no one will go and work in David Davis’s department [DexEU], and Liam Fox is regarded as a semi-lunatic. The only departments that have retained their institutional integrity during this crisis are the Foreign Office and the Treasury, but they have been sidelined in the Brexit negotiations which is a huge mistake because that is where most of the brains and ability in Whitehall is located.

“What essentially is happening is that a government-in-exile in the Treasury and Foreign Office is waiting for the collapse of the current strategy and the moment when it will have to pick up the pieces. The tragedy for the country is that unless something dramatic changes, that collapse will not happen until after we have left the EU in March 2019, whereas it is profoundly important that we understand the crisis that will hit and that we do not leave the EU.” "

Wally Sun 31-Dec-17 09:16:52

There's everything to stop us from making trade deals with the rest of the world whilst in the EU, it is against their rules surely but surely you knew that.

Wally Sun 31-Dec-17 09:27:51

This is from a lifelong Labour supporter. No socialist government has ever been successful anywhere in this world. Be very careful before putting in a Corbyn communist party in power.

durhamjen Sun 31-Dec-17 10:22:22

So you'd rather have the Tories remain in power, would you, as a lifelong socialist?
Who are you trying to kid?

GracesGranMK2 Sun 31-Dec-17 10:26:43

Really Wally. I have a feeling you are talking about old fashioned revolutionary socialism - although even that has moved people forward in some countries, just not enough.

I don't think that is what Corbyn is advocating - do you? Democratic socialism suits some countries very well and it certainly suits the poor, less able and disadvantaged better than modern capitalism as practiced by the Tories and the odd Labour government for the last 30 years. That is and has just made the rich richer - that's why they persuade people like you to vote for it - so they can go on getting richer on the backs of the poor.

trisher Sun 31-Dec-17 10:55:40

Wally I don't know how old you are but you probably grew up in a socialist country where healthcare, living conditions and workers' welfare were seen as priorities. It did work. It led to the beginnings of a more equal society. Of course as dj says the last 30 years have been spent eroding it and selling off whatever could be. The question is what sort of a society do you want for your grandchildren? and I certainly would like to see them raised in a more equal one. But as rickets and TB are once again being found in children I sometimes despair.

durhamjen Sun 31-Dec-17 11:53:52

"But we are being held back by a self-serving elite, who look after themselves and their friends and a failed system which delivers staggering wealth at the top, while more and more people struggle to simply make ends meet."

Do you want this to continue, Wally? Along with the Victorian illnesses, as trisher says?
Fod banks? No problem.

No lifelong Labour supporter that I know of wants that to continue.

Jalima1108 Sun 31-Dec-17 12:50:02

But as rickets and TB are once again being found in children I sometimes despair.
Is that because of poor diet trisher? Or is rickets being found again because of the advice to use Factor 50 sun cream on children so that they are getting no Vitamin D, the major source of which is sunshine? Care needs to be taken, of course, not to let tender skin burn.
Do you think that TB is on the increase partly because people have migrated here as the report (published in the Lancet years ago) on this states that it has arisen mainly in people born outside the UK, possibly they may not be living in ideal conditions - but have also missed out on childhood inoculation?
Perhaps there should be a campaign to raise awareness and to inoculate older people who may not have received this as a matter of course in their native country.

Jalima1108 Sun 31-Dec-17 13:00:36

In fact, after increases in TB cases the rate is now declining.
• the rate of TB in the non-UK born population in 2016 was 49.4 per 100,000, compared with 51.3 per 100,000 in 2015, and remained 15 times higher than in the UK born population, with 74% of TB cases born abroad
www.gov.uk/government/uploads/system/uploads/attachment_data/file/654152/TB_Annual_Report_2017.pdf

Dietary sources of vitamin D are limited. The main natural source is from the action of sunlight on skin. However, from mid-October to the beginning of April in the UK there is no ambient ultraviolet sunlight of the appropriate.
Part of a NICE statement

Poorer families can obtain vitamin supplements free of charge too.

Bridgeit Sun 31-Dec-17 13:03:30

WALLY - I particularly agree with your second & third sentences ,Corbyn ( not the Labour Party ) is definitely not the man he aims to let people think he is, better the devil you know imo

whitewave Sun 31-Dec-17 13:16:30

In citing Corbyn as a communist, not only are you showing no understanding of his economic policy, but you are showing how you are being influenced by the right wing rags.

Bridgeit Sun 31-Dec-17 13:22:00

If referring to me, no I am being influenced by my own judgement, which has put me in good stead thus far.

durhamjen Sun 31-Dec-17 13:33:04

Good for you. Hasn't put the homeless in good stead.

www.theargus.co.uk/news/15795836.17_homeless_people_have_died_in_Brighton_in_2017_____how_many_more_must_suffer_/

The devil they know couldn't care less.

Bridgeit Sun 31-Dec-17 13:36:47

That is rather presuming you know my circumstances, which you do not !

durhamjen Sun 31-Dec-17 13:50:52

Not at all. You said your own judgment had put you in good stead so far.

thegreatcritique.wordpress.com/2017/12/30/recalling-black-wednesday/

This puts Tory competence in perspective.

GracesGranMK2 Sun 31-Dec-17 14:24:37

Corbyn ( not the Labour Party ) is definitely not the man he aims to let people think he is,

So what inside information makes you actually know this as a fact or are you, like the rest of use, deciding on the information is available to each and all of us? If this is the case (no special inside information) then you are just offering your opinion and why would you think that others would believe you are right?

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