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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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Wally Wed 03-Jan-18 18:45:24

Because I'm sick and tired by the extreme left calling anyone that disagrees with them racist. I truly believe that true democracy cannot exist without genuine freedom of speech. The politically correct are just trying to stifle genuine debate. Be careful because once they're in they can do much damage to our economy.

Wally Wed 03-Jan-18 18:49:43

It is an actual fact I heard Corbyn say the rights that the unions had taken away would be restored. He was stupid enough to say it on television.

suzied Wed 03-Jan-18 18:58:29

Why would I call someone racist who I disagreed with about railways?

jura2 Wed 03-Jan-18 18:58:41

Wally ... you do realise it is possible to oppose what this GVT and Mrs May and friends are doing, without being part of 'extreme left' - as you call it.

Wally Wed 03-Jan-18 19:05:09

Unlike you I actually worked for the railways for a while and I saw first hand the inefficiency and absolute waste that went on. People think that if it's public money they can do what they want with it.
. The unions of the time held the railways to ransom. With public money being used to prop it up the railways were a complete shambles.

Wally Wed 03-Jan-18 19:07:23

I think I've answered that question.

trisher Wed 03-Jan-18 19:12:25

Public money is still being used to prop up the railways Wally only now it goes straight into the pockets of executives and shareholders.

Wally Wed 03-Jan-18 19:14:04

This will be my last post on this subject we will not agree I can see that but it saddens me to see so much misinformation that is being bandied about. I repeat I am not and never will be a Tory but I cannot support Corbyn and his extremist views.

mostlyharmless Wed 03-Jan-18 19:26:39

On the subject of what should happen to Boris in a cabinet reshuffle, May needs to find a way of giving him a prestigious sounding role without actually giving him any power. To return him to the back benches would invite him to form a rebellious faction which would be dangerous for May and ultimately likely to lead to a hard Brexit.

I can't think of a suitable role though. It would have to keep him too busy to meddle. Deputy PM? Leader of the House? Or a more obscure role?

Any ideas?

GracesGranMK2 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:51:53

Because I'm sick and tired by the extreme left calling anyone that disagrees with them racist.

I have to admit that a lot of the people I have come across who are opposed to social democracy actually are racist. That obviously doesn't mean they all are but some of them are very extreme - just as they are in opposition to Labour.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:54:57

... it saddens me to see so much misinformation that is being bandied about

You mean people don't agree with your view of it. That's politics and doesn't mean people are misinformed just that they have a different opinion and may hold it just as strongly as you hold yours.

GracesGranMK2 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:56:15

'Counter of the tea-time biscuits' mostly?

trisher Wed 03-Jan-18 20:34:24

Oh No GGMk2 he'd probably scoff the lot!

durhamjen Wed 03-Jan-18 20:59:02

Keeper of the keys?

mostlyharmless Wed 03-Jan-18 21:14:04

Keeper of the Keys like Hagrid at Hogwarts?

Bridgeit Wed 03-Jan-18 21:23:36

Wally , please don't go, it does seem we girls soon resort to point scoring & go off topic, we need someone such as yourself to keep us on track .

GracesGranMK2 Wed 03-Jan-18 22:47:38

He's not going. Don't be so overdramatic. He has only said he will not post on this thread.

durhamjen Wed 03-Jan-18 23:09:41

Something like that, mostlyharmless.
Not quite sure what they would be keys for. Perhaps he could be the janitor at Westminster Hall. I seem to recall that last year there was a problem about who would be allowed to have the keys.

It wasn't for something to do with trump's visit, was it, in which case we don't want Boris to have the keys, do we?

Jalima1108 Wed 03-Jan-18 23:20:15

This will be my last post on this subject we will not agree I can see that but it saddens me to see so much misinformation that is being bandied about. I repeat I am not and never will be a Tory but I cannot support Corbyn and his extremist views.

Wally that's a shame, don't go - yet another poster ridiculed and bullied off for stating the facts as they know them.

and until Corbyn et al are chucked out I cannot vote Labour again. Unfortunately, that means a wasted vote. And I may never see it. sad

durhamjen Wed 03-Jan-18 23:41:11

And I never voted Labour while Blair was leader apart from the first time, when I believed he was a socialist.
So don't worry, we cancel each other out, Jalima.
By the way, when did you last vote Labour? I thought you were libdem.

MaizieD Wed 03-Jan-18 23:41:48

Don't be ridiculous, Jalima. Wally hasn't been ridiculed and bullied off; he's just been given another point of view. In the case of the railways it was one backed up by evidence which he didn't seem willing to acknowledge.

This is a discussion forum, not an echo chamber. The key word being 'discussion'.

Jalima1108 Wed 03-Jan-18 23:54:55

Last time was for Blair (sorry - ikwym)

Wally seemed to know a lot about the railways from a different point of view and if he wasn't upset why did he leave?

durhamjen Wed 03-Jan-18 23:57:07

Has he left?
If he has it's because he's said all he had to say, and keeps repeating himself.

Jalima1108 Wed 03-Jan-18 23:58:37

Lots of posters do that though

Anniebach Thu 04-Jan-18 08:47:51

What happen to Wally happens to most posters who don"t follow the Corbyn mantra

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