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Has the Conservative Party lost all sense of competence

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GracesGranMK2 Sat 02-Dec-17 10:10:45

This is not an attack on individuals but on the ethos of conservatism. Since the war the CP has created the myth that they are competent. Recently we have seen:

Incompetence with the economy.
Incompetence with benefits
Incompetence with state pensions
Incompetence with support for business and industry via infrastructure
Incompetence in many areas with government administration
Incompetence with transport
Incompetence in the criminal justice system
Incompetence in defence
Incompetence in education
Incompetence in the NHS
Incompetence in running their own election

I am sure there are other areas. Why does anyone vote for this incompetence? Surely we deserve better?
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Primrose65 Mon 11-Dec-17 22:56:48

It really depends on why they are still in temporary accommodation. RBKC have purchased over 160 properties. From a Guardian article a couple of months ago
"...said the delay was partly down to families asking for redecoration or specific furniture in their new homes, as was their right"
I do not think it is unreasonable if someone chooses to wait for the property that has been purchased for them is redecorated and furnished.
I would be more unhappy if they were forced into permanent homes that were not satisfactory.

lemongrove Tue 12-Dec-17 10:34:36

Am thinking that those 80% are not all from Grenfell Towers but from the similar high rise block nearby, who are worried about living there.Because I think that more than 20% have probably been permanently rehoused, but I will check up on that.
Some have been rehoused permanently nearby, others have chosen to leave the area altogether, others are in temporary accommodation awaiting repairs/ refurbishment/ and fitting out with their choice of furniture.
I think that there is a lot of making political capital out of this subject, when in fact, with the eyes of the country on
them, the Council is doing a good job.
If the residents are spurning a left wing group claiming to speak for them, that says it all.

Anniebach Tue 12-Dec-17 12:02:18

There was one lady interviewed who said she had turned down accomodation because the loo wasn't suitable for her.

There was the family ,one child,who lived in a two bedroomed flat in the tower, turned down a two bedroomed flat because it wasn't big enough.

I can't help but think of the homeless from the Aberfan disaster who lived in caravans in a field .

I don't understand what Jen meant by posting the number of empty properties allegedly in the borough, are they council owned, for sale or privately owned ? No one can expect a council to buy a large house to house a small family and buying properties cannot be completed in weeks.

The tower residents have a new group replacing the far left one , they are distressed and angry they are being used as political fodder.

Primrose65 Tue 12-Dec-17 14:01:55

Theresa May said that they would all be rehoused within three weeks after the fire. Yesterday the council said they would all be in permanent homes by Christmas. Someone isn't telling the truth, so no, I won't give it a rest

You are confusing getting people out of hotels and into temporary accommodation with taking possession of a permanent home. No one said everyone would be permanently rehoused within 3 weeks. I'm sure you know this really. According to the BBC RealityCheck, published in July this year
"Council officials say offers of temporary accommodation have been made to 139 of 158 households and the remaining 19 households did not want any contact with the council at this time."
"This means the team will have met the three-week target of making an offer of accommodation to those affected."

People should not try and capitalize on a disaster for political gain. Twisting the truth is not the same as holding someone to account.

whitewave Tue 12-Dec-17 14:12:36

Don’t forget to email your mp to encourage them to vote for Amendment 7 tomorrow, especially all you Brexiters who wanted to take back control and gain sovereignty.

whitewave Tue 12-Dec-17 14:13:54

primrose I so agree about twisting the truth for political gain - the leader of RBKC needs some lessons in truth telling.

Anniebach Tue 12-Dec-17 14:35:38

The leader of RBKC has to contend with the far left manipulating the victims for political gain, this is as low as anyone can sink , so much for Corbyn 'feeling their pain' , he isn't feeling their pain he is using it .

humptydumpty Tue 12-Dec-17 15:13:28

OK, anti-Corbyn drum roll again.

Anniebach Tue 12-Dec-17 15:32:23

No drum, just my opinion on the cruel use of the victims

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 15:37:13

You'd rather nobody mentioned them, forgot about them, ignored them, as happened before Grenfell, would you?

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 15:43:28

"Politics as we age
By Pete Morgan
Is it true that we move right politically as we get older?

The Labour Prime Minister Harold Wilson once complained that Tony Benn had "immatured with age." He meant that Tony had became more radical over the years.
In the 1960s, Benn had been a relatively middle-of-the-road Labour politician. A loyal member of Wilson's moderate government.

By the 1970s he was well-established as a rebellious presence in the eyes of the Labour leadership, spearheading the Left's criticisms of the Party's compromises with capitalism.

Harold Wilson thought this was a regrettable change.

I think it was commendable.

Tony Benn became a living denial of the stereotype that we become (more) conservative with age.

And he wasn't the only one.
Nye Bevan – a political hero of Benn's – denounced the Tories as "lower than vermin" aged 58, and was 61 when he created the National Health Service.

Writer Virginia Woolf's 'Between the Acts', criticising the imperial arrogance and toxic masculinity of contemporary Britain, was written so close to her tragic death at the age of 59 that it was published posthumously.

George Orwell wrote Nineteen Eighty-Four denouncing totalitarian government less than two years before he passed away.

Marx was writing to Russian correspondents at 62, supporting the revolutionary movement against Tsarist tyranny.

And Maya Angelou read her poem, 'On the Pulse of the Morning', at Bill Clinton's inauguration aged 65. It was a bold call for inclusivity and economic justice in the United States.
Harold Wilson thought it worth commenting that Tony Benn had become more left-wing with age because this was supposed to be unusual. Looking down this list, though, I'm starting to think that idea is, quite frankly, rubbish.

I think it's drilled into us that radical politics is a thing for young people so that we'll start to see 'growing up' as the same thing as becoming more conservative.

If we want to be recognised as 'mature' and 'sensible', we need to stop caring about refugees, start complaining about wealth taxes, and vote Conservative.

I think right-wing people tell us this not because it's true but because they want it to be true.

There's no maximum age for radical political thought, just as there's no maximum age for being a decent person.

What better time of year to reflect on this fact than December, when a man old enough to have a big white beard flies around the world, dressed in red, delivering free gifts to everyone, indiscriminate of wealth, race, or gender? Sounds pretty radical to me."

Interesting thoughts here. Someone I know has definitely done so. Fortunately many of us haven't.

Primrose65 Tue 12-Dec-17 15:47:56

the leader of RBKC needs some lessons in truth telling
What lies has she told?

Mention them by all means dj. Just don't try and imply things that are not true.

whitewave Tue 12-Dec-17 15:51:23

Leader of RBKC and telling less than the truth.

If anyone had been aware of her on the media this week you would have been more than aware of her lies.

Primrose65 Tue 12-Dec-17 16:08:46

I've seen her on the TV this week. What lies has she told ww?

whitewave Tue 12-Dec-17 16:14:49

If you look up page you will see.

Primrose65 Tue 12-Dec-17 16:18:13

ww there's nothing on this page.
What lies has she told?

Anniebach Tue 12-Dec-17 16:35:08

Where was their pain feeler in chief before the fire ?

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 16:36:22

Sorry, primrose, I don't understand what you mean.

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 17:04:15

Well done, Tories.

infacts.org/inflation-highest-since-2012-thanks-brexiters/

We all want highest inflation in six years.
Can you try a bit more competence, please.

suzied Tue 12-Dec-17 18:15:38

Did anyone hear David Davis saying he “didn’t have to be clever to do his job”. Got that one right ?

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 18:38:12

Didn't understand the calm bit. Sitting there smirking at everybody then putting your head in your hands does not look calm to me.

varian Tue 12-Dec-17 18:59:41

Is DD an idiot or someone pretending to be an idiot? It's hard to tell. What is quite clear is that he is totally out of his depth.

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 19:31:00

Norfolk County Councillors have awarded themselves a thousand pound a year pay rise while at the same time cutting the money for children's services from £10 million to £5 million.
Very kind of them - to each other, but not the children in their county.

durhamjen Tue 12-Dec-17 19:47:15

What an incompetent Tory MP.
He seems to have forgotten that he voted to privatise the Post Office.

evolvepolitics.com/tory-mp-outraged-that-utility-the-tories-privatised-wont-do-what-he-tells-them-to-anymore/

lemongrove Tue 12-Dec-17 20:56:28

ww saying that somebody is telling lies, or less than the truth, doesn’t automatically make it so.
I also read ( The Guardian) says that some Grenfell residents can’t decide yet what to do, and are staying in temporary accommodation until they do, also that 54 households ( who lived together in Grenfell Towers) are splitting up and want to be rehoused separately, which obviously doubles the amount of flats needed.
It’s all complex and it seems from what I have read that the Council is doing a good job.

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