58 Brexit Impact Studies

So are the sector studies apparently undertaken by the Civil Service, according to Philip Rycroft, worth anything to anyone? How close are they to actual impact assessments as defined?

How about people who asked him about the assessments and when he kept calling them 'sector analysis' - why didn't they ask for clarification then?
Should they have understood the difference? Didn't they know what they were talking about or asking him? Are they incompetent or complicit?

I do agree there's more to this than meets the eye.

David Davis escaped censure from MPs after the Brexit committee split on party lines over whether to formally criticise him, following a chaotic appearance in which he said that dozens of economic impact assesssments he had been told to publish did not, in fact, exist.

Ten Conservative MPs and one DUP MP voted that Davis was not in contempt of parliament, hours after the Brexit secretary said that there had been “no systematic impact assessment” of leaving the EU. Eight opposition MPs voted against.

www.theguardian.com/politics/2017/dec/06/david-davis-escapes-mps-criticism-over-lack-of-brexit-assessments

Does having a slender majority in parliament on the basis of a minority vote in a general election, mean that an incompetent and dishonest government cannot even be called to account by a parliamentary committee? Hilary Benn asked the right questions, and the blatant lying was apparent to everyone, but JRM and the rest of the Tory/DUP members still allowed him to get away with it.

During the last year or so the UK government couldn't be bothered to do Brexit Impact Studies, but meanwhile the EU has done them, sector by sector, in detail. Here they are:-

www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/ukevents/brexit/brexitstudies.html

Fortunately, most of the country doesn’t post or read twitter messages. Most of them are are posted by the same stirrers who have multiple accounts / aliases.

Define impact assessment?

I think the government have relied upon their talks with business leaders, many of whom are positive about BREXIT.

The impact is hard to quantify, when government are slow with reports, and the commercial sector has its own way of doing things and would not care to compromise its own position.

The impacts which are customs and legal and employment etc are being adressed in the negotiations.

Can the government actually forsee the changes in the future? We have robots coming have they done any impact assessments anywhere in the world about them? Exploding populations ? Climate changes? However many reports are published they fall short at the point of implementation, which is unpredictabe anyway.

You incandescent ladies should all get your crystal balls out and stand for office. No one actually can fortell the future.

Our government is not doing so badly. I don't like or support any of them but this constant expectation that someone, somewhere has all the answers that would make you feel secure is juvenile.

Things are changing, they always do. Being free to decide what to do in the face of change is the biggest advantage of all.

Blinko That's an excellent point. It's difficult to know without seeing what was actually provided in these analysis papers, but likewise, you cannot assume they were any less (or more) useful than an impact assessment.

I voted leave, and would do so again tomorrow, but I cannot believe the incompetent, pathetic way that the Government has “dealt” with the issue. Theresa May’s idea of negotiation seems to be to give in on every point with nothing in return, and still get nowhere. She was a useless Home Secretary, and is a worse PM. The referendum was ages ago, and the lack of planning and progress is shameful.

It's about time the Remainers started asking for the impact studies of STAYING in the EU. I could probably come up with 58 but here are some;
* a million extra people every year ( that's not counting future offspring) coming in the UK bringing with it all the strains on housing, jobs, schools, the NHS, transport, jobs, prisons and so on.
* the ever increasing cost of being in the EU Customs Union i.e. we pay in, other countries take out...£55 million and day and rising. Any rebate spending is controlled by the EU before anyone jumps in to mention that.
* all our laws and regulations made by someone else- please just remind me just why we need our own politicians when we have the wonderful EU to look after us !!!!
* Never being able to arrange our own independent trade deals
* Not only spending £25 million a DAY on foreign aid but also contributing more through the EU as well
* getting sucked in with the exploits of an EU army. Do you remember how great some of the Europeans were in the last 2 world wars!!
* No control over who enters our country from EU States
* Having to give equal access to our resources to every citizen of the EU whenever they want to come here when they have contributed nothing previously to our economy.
* EU courts being able to overrule UK courts' decisions
I could go on but, lastly, being members of a club where the majority of the members really don't like us and only want us to stay so they can suck us dry.

I suggest that anyone who says they would still vote to leave reads the Brexit Impact Studies carried out by the EU.

www.europarl.europa.eu/unitedkingdom/en/ukevents/brexit/brexitstudies.html

My recollection of the referendum question was whether we remain members of the EU, not whether we remain in the single market or customs union. The Leave victory therefore gave the Government complete freedom to decide how we leave the EU.

Theresa May has said we'll be leaving the single market and the customs union but still expects the EU to agree to give us the same advantages of belonging to both. Even if the impacts of losing these benefits on the UK economy have been assessed, dogma drives policy these days, not evidence-based policy-making.

The Irish border issue finally let the cat out of the bag this week about what drives hard Brexiteers. They want no regulatory alignment so that they can cut corners, produce goods more cheaply and increase profits. And if they sense that Theresa May isn't prepared to ditch regulatory alignment, they will ditch her.

Will she still be there by Christmas?

rambling the Telegraph thinks she will be gone by next week

radicalnan: 'You incandescent ladies should all get your crystal balls out and stand for office. No one actually can fortell the future.'

again, we can debate about whether impact assessment are of value or not- BUT THIS IS NOT THE POINT HERE

the point is about David Davis, with the full backing of the whole GVT and Mrs May - have TOLD US officially, again and again since September 2016 - that impact assessments in excruciating detail have been done on 50 - 60 individual sectors - and now say that this is not true (which may well turn out to be a lie).... THE WHOLE POINT IS ABOUT LYING to us the people, but mainly to the official committees and to OUR OWN SOVEREIGN PARLIAMENT.

When Mark Carney predicted that the pound would collapse and we would go into recession, I presume that statement came from doing an assessment. Yes the pound did drop but not to cataclysmic levels, and the recession, mmm, let me think.

But petra The question is not as we are continually being reminded whether impact assessments are useful, but whether Davis deliberately mislead parliament.

There is strong evidence which we have all witness that he did

petra- we have not left ... yet ...

I have family in the highest echelons of financial services and I can assure you they are extremely concerned - and all plans are made and ready for them to leave in a flash ...

I am not a Skyper ,Twitterer or Facebooker..
Why get my knickers in a twist ?. I can scream and I can shout it all about but will it make any difference?

Quizqueen I think that's a very valid point about assessments of staying in the EU but I'd be more interested in the changes proposed that are in the pipeline - things like the EMF proposals, energy regulations, data protection and cybersecurity that impact our critical national infrastructure.

sarahellenwhitny
Same here
When my SIL, who manages an Audi dealership gets concerned I might give it some thought. But even if the German car market goes tits Jaguar have been after him.

Quiz queen l could go through all your statements, but I know you do not want facts. I will just take one for an example..... EU rules state that free movement is compulsery but there are many conditions which consecutive goverments have decided to ignore. An EU citizen has the right to go to a member state for 3 months to find work. After that period they have to return unless they are SELF SUPPORTING. In addition people from the EU who work here pay into the economy for schools, health etc by paying taxes, unlike the financial backers of brexit and owners of the right wing media. In fact figures state that EU citizens pay in way more than they take out. I am so tired of having to correct the lies peddles by the likes of Johnson etc. Surely you can see the lies for what they are now. If you want more facts on what you said, I qm happy to do that.

In addition people coming from Europe to work are younger and do not have the health needs of the British immigrants in Europe.

I am referring to the British pensioners abroad.

Sarahhellen, The suffragettes did not have Facebook either, but when needs must you must scream. In March 150,000 marched in London, however BBC decided not to cover it, bar a tiny mention. It had more coverage in China. However when Catalonians marched to say they wanted to remain part of Spain, it was all over the news. Don't you find that a bit strange? Epathy is the biggest threat for anything, so I will keep shouting no matter what. Not even for the financial benefits of being in the EU, but the fact there has been peace in Europe for 70 years.

Listen to him again, and again. He himself said the impact assessments were essential, and that they exist in excruciating detail:

www.facebook.com/BBCPolitics/videos/2045258982157616/

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