Corbyns Inertia

Exactly lemon. It might have been great for trisher, I grew up in the East End of London and for some people there, it was hell. We forget that Shelter started in 1969 because millions of people were living in the most dreadful slum conditions.

Not enough Primrose65 I need examples. For instance I never saw anyone sleeping on the street when I was growing up. It's an every day occurence now. Is that better or worse?
Ah but the ones who are, are becoming left wingers lemongrove they are a force to be reckoned with.

I agree Primrose I think society as a whole is much better today than it ever was.
There is an element of rose tinted glasses looking backwards to a very imperfect past.

‘The Young’ covers millions though, doesn’t it, and they are not all of the same mind, or even interested much in politics.

Will anyone come on this thread and say that the society they grew up in was worse than today's

I will.

Firstly from 1948 until the 1980s we were a socialist country. Will anyone come on this thread and say that the society they grew up in was worse than today's ? I doubt it. Most of us had good health care regardless of our family's wealth, we had free education and we had state owned railways. Many of the same things the Labour party is asking for now. It is the sort of society I would like to leave my GCs. Not the money grubbing, get rich by selling off everything, and leave the poorest to starve on the streets situaion we have now. The young have no stake in this capitalist self-seeking economy and so want rid of it. Thank goodness for them.

I'll tell you what a party is trisher, it is the activists that make it work and the people that voted for it, not a bunch of extremist that have infiltrated it with a hidden agenda.

lemongrove. Ask them if it's what the people want. In most instances the EU just keeps taking votes until it gets what it wants and then never another vote to see if it's what the people truly want.

I agree Wally that mans nature prevents it from working,
Capitalism is not perfect, but the best model.

Sorry, that post was to trisher.

Certainly not myths about Momentum ( the leadership and intent thereof) MaizieD and it may be what some LP members want, but by no means all.Rather important what the Labour voters (non members) want as well.
We were told not long ago by GN members that the EU wanting to become a Federalist State and have an army was a myth.... and now they are moving ever closer in that direction.

trisher. Show me one truly socialist country that has succeeded, even China and Russia had to abandon it. Okay you can say China is a totalitarian state but it is a capitalist country as are most of the tried and failed communist states. The ideals of from each according to their ability, to each according to their needs can't work and have failed because of human corruption.

The Rt Hon Sir Patrick McLoughlin MP, Chancellor of the Duchy of Lancaster
7. Relevant interests of spouse,
partner or close family member
Mr McLoughlin’s son is a special adviser, No.10
Downing Street

From the latest list of ministers interests. I don't think you'd call McLoughlin far left.

Socialism and communism are not the same thing.
This sounds like a 1950s McCarthyite witchhunt. Hysterical...

blogs.spectator.co.uk/2018/01/unites-bitter-power-struggle-could-spell-trouble-for-corbyn/

Large blocks of influence are no better. Especially when you cheat and manipulate to hold onto power.

The far left seems to be run by men who draw a salary and a pension. They employ each other's children. It's time these nepotists stood aside and let younger people through.

Well said, trisher.
I read an article about May's supposed reshuffle. All her big guns are going to stay in place, even Hunt and Johnson.
This article was in the Telegraph, which she prefers to use as her medium of choice to get out any news these days.
Now that's inertia for you.

It's how communism works Wally

If a party isn't its members what is it? If those members want to take the party in a different direction are they not entitled to do so? What is it about democracy in a political party that you distrust lemongrove ? Is the concept too much for you? Would you much rather have the strings pulled by rich people? All these myths about Momentum, and how much influence they may or may not have, are just that myths, perpetuated by a right wing press and some posters on GN who suck it all up.
But who would vote for that Labour party Annie? I certainly wouldn't. I was fooled once by Blair. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me. The labour party has always been a socialist party and socialism is the only hope for a society that has been run into the ground by a capitalist economy that has effectively robbed young people and denied them a stake in its future. Something different is needed.

Corbyn lost a vote of no confidence, then went back to his membership that had been infiltrated by the hard left and won the one member one vote to keep his leadership. If you look at the countries that he has extolled they have all gone bust, a Corbyn led government would do the same to us.

Annibach. Agreed

If one is of the far left it will not matter that Corbyn is the front man for the power of Momentum . Why haven't they the courage to campaign as the Momentum Party and leave the Labour Party to have the same success as 1993

The electorate now have a long time to make up their minds
Who they want to see in number 10 at the next GE.
In politics, anything can happen.

I agree with every word of this.

I'm very sad to say this but I agree with what you've said. Lets hope that the fact we have nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them will deter any nation from using them on us.

It is Momentum getting the members by their activists pushing Corbyn, they aren’t interested in Labour as a Party, only their imagined view of what it could be like if Corbyn got into power and was able to implement the policies that they, Momentum like.Their aim is taking out any moderate Labour MP candidate or councillor in the country and replacing with hard left versions.
The Green Party may have 55,000 members, but they don’t have many more voters, they are a tiny Party.