Corbyns Inertia

Never a truer word Primrose.

Oh sorry, Maizie. Yes, polls are relevant when they confirm what you think and irrelevant when they don't. I forgot!

But Maizie, have you seen the polls?

I was referring to Brexit polls, as that was really what Day6's post was about, not polls about JC.

I think you need to tell that to JC. He keeps saying he's going to be PM soon. Perhaps he doesn't understand how governments work as well as you do ww

When we vote a government in we know that at the maximum we can reject them in 5 years.

Brexit is forever.

When we vote a government in we know roughly what we are getting

The Brexit vote was voted on a simple yes/no

Unlike Day6 and Lemongrove here, and a few others- I actually take NO joy whatsoever in saying I could not vote for Labour at the moment (and it is clear I could never, ever vote Tory) - I respect the man, I respect his policies about 90%. I've met him many times in the past and was impressed by his stance on nuclear disarmament and his reasoning about pushing the button leading to MAD (mutual assured destruction) - but he is and has always been anti-EU - and finds himself now in an impossible situation- as a large % of Brexiters are from his Labour base- who will migrate to UKIP or worse, if he goes against Brexit.

Really worth reading about this dichotomy in more detail here:

www.chathamhouse.org/expert/comment/labour-faces-need-reconcile-working-class-brexit-supporters

I could not vote for him, not because of his basic manifesto, which I mostly agree with- but because of Brexit.

Everything he stands for, which I mostly agree with - is being put at risk by getting out of EU- jobs, the NHS, social services, workers protection, our environment, and so much more.

Now I'm going to disappear down a YouGov statistics rabbit hole!

48% of people have an unfavourable opinion of JC
38% are favourable, but that's down from 46% at the election.

Maizie, the polls are saying that Corbyn peaked at the election and has been going downhill since then.

But Maizie, have you seen the polls?
The YouGov poll from 12th December (most recent) shows that only 28% of people think Corbyn would be the best prime minister.

As for this

'We all know his far-left Remainers would be pulling his strings and the likelihood is McDonnell, Starmer, Thornbury, Watson etc, etc would be hand in glove with Brussels bureaucrats, getting THEM rather than the UK a good deal. ' Day 6- I think they would work very effectively with the EU in getting us all a much better deal. No-one could do worse than David Davis - who should resign if he had any pride, common sense or understanding of the issues.

He is a perpetual liar that cannot be trusted, by us or by the EU- who is flying by the seat of his arrogance and pants - and the EU now is fully aware of this, and will make the best of his sheer stupidity.

Labour did not turn up (gagged and whipped) to vote for an amendment on a second Referendum on the final deal- making their position clear.

Very disappointed. And I do agree that making comments about beign PM soon were totally out of order and premature.

P.S Don't know where that last ? came from
Remarks about polls apply to all of us...not just Day6

But you live in your own bubble, Day6. You're, by your own admission ("I don't know anyone...etc.") surrounded by people who think like you. But your bubble is not representative of the whole population. That's why opinion poll statistics are much more useful than personal opinions; polls reflect the opinions of a representative sample of the whole population.

And the polls are telling us quite different things from what some Gnetters are?

"It has to do with the real negotiating, or real deals, as soon as they are in Government (which everyone in Europe think is probably quite soon)"

So EU bods are supporting UK anti-government (opposition) bods who are on their side? No surprises there, are there?

Now you speak for 'everyone in Europe'? Hilarious!

Get real. There is real anger in the UK that May isn't fighting hard enough to release us completely from the EU. That Jeremy "Can't-make-my-mind-up-about-the-EU" Corbyn could ever lead the negotiations is laughable.

We all know his far-left Remainers would be pulling his strings and the likelihood is McDonnell, Starmer, Thornbury, Watson etc, etc would be hand in glove with Brussels bureaucrats, getting THEM rather than the UK a good deal.

The government has a mandate from the people. Corbyn and co would not dare incite the electorate. I don't know anyone who has faith in Corbyn (and co) to lead the country.

I had to labour the point with you jura as you seem to think, along with durhamjen that Corbyn and friends can and are negotiating with the EU.
It’s wishful thinking on the part of some that Corbyn will soon be in power.Not you, I know, as he is an avid fan of Brexit.

Oh dear ....

What is that expression with 'Sherlock' in it!?!

Well, Corbyn thought it would be quite soon ( himself for PM) he hoped it would be by Christmas.
Of course the EU don’t know who they may be dealing with in the future for sure but there is now no pressing reason to have a GE any time soon, so they have to deal with the Conservatives as far as actual negotiating is concerned.

The EU is also very aware that Corbyn, unlike Starmer, Umuna, Thornbury, etc- has always been anti EU, and therefore a Brexiter.

It has to do with the real negotiating, or real deals, as soon as they are in Government (which everyone in Europe think is probably quite soon) - I know this is not what you want to hear- but the final negotiations may well NOT be done with Mrs May and crew- the EU is fully aware of this.

Of course Brussels will listen jura but that has nothing to do with actual negotiating deals.

jura2 if you are interested you can find comments about the agencies here ratemyteachingagency.com/agency/capita-education-resourcing/
Some people report only earning £300 for full time work and being paid as a cover supervisor not a teacher. Shocking really

Officially yes - but I am pretty sure you can't control what goes on behind closed doors. Quite sure too that the EU is indeed listening to what the Opposition that has a strong possibility of getting in power if things go belly up (as it seems they are well on the way to do).

Labour cannot be doing any negotiating with Brussels,
They may be talking ( and saying what they would like to do) but actual negogiating can only be done by the Government in power.

thank you trisher- I was not aware that was no longer the case. Will have to look into it to see what's what. The old system was to take the wage of a teacher at that level on the pay scale, and divide by the number of working school days.

Not anymore jura2 agencies have basic rates for most teachers and occasionally higher rates for well-qualified ones in subjects that have shortages. The pay scales local authorities used that gave a daily rate, taking in holidays, are long gone.