Corbyns Inertia

Petra at the SNP summit, if they are going to empty chair Corbyn they could place a few leeks or a jar of jam on it.....
Make more sense than he would

lemongrove - really. I do try not to make personal comments- but this is just pathetic- truly

Corbyn will not attend the summit ? the same Corbyn who believes in meeting all sides and talking is good?

But funny ( to some!) truly.

Why is it good to talk to Hamas and IRA but not the a cross party summit !

Ok here goes. It is a fact he lost a confidence vote in parliament with a large majority voting against him, he then flooded his party with extreme left wingers and got re-elected as leader he must have a skin as thick as a rhino's. He is now trying to deselect MP's that do not toe the line on his extreme agenda. He voted against his own party on numerous occasions and has been an ardent supporter of brexit before it being toned down for what he thinks are election reasons. He made promises to young people and I saw and heard him do it which he knew at the time he could not possibly carry out and it worked. He know says that those promises were only aspirations. Are you telling me that you honestly trust this man because if you do then we are poles apart.

Well said Wally,

his extreme agenda

What agenda would that be? Because if you're talking about the Labour Manifesto from June it wasn't in the least bit 'extreme'.

The only agenda on here is the extreme right.

And, once again, I'd ask, what do all you anti-Corbyn Labour voters actually want to see happen? What policies would you like to see the Labour party embrace?

In this whole negative and pisstaking thread about Corbyn no-one has come out and said what they do want from the Labour party.

I have Maizie, I want the return of the Labour Party out of the power of Momentum, no point in going into details , whilst Momentum and the unions are in control of the party we get what they decide

Well here goes again because nobody has even tried to answer the points that I made. Corbyn has said Venezuela has shown us another way, yes he actually said that. Venezuela is socialist they are sitting on the largest oil reserves on earth. Some people there are starving and the country is flat broke even gasoline is in very short supply. Someone has described my views as extreme, if by that you mean I support the old Labour Party under the likes of Harold Wilson George Brown etc then yes I'm an extremist.

So renationalise the railways and the water and energy companies. Possibly bring back clause 4 (Wilson certainly believed in it). Oh hang on haven't you posted that you don't believe in state owned railways Wally?
So let's try again- which parts of the last Labour manifesto do you disagree with and what would you like to see done?

Venezuela is much like Cuba too close for the USA's comfort. It couldn't be allowed to succeed.

What policies do you want the Labour party to propose and implement? Not what return to the past would you like?

For instance, Day6 said the other day that the Labour party was full of middle class people telling the working class what they wanted. I asked her to tell us what the working class did want, then. Silence, utter silence.

Anybody can moan and take the piss (depending on whether you're anti Corbyn or just a tory) but where is your vision for the country? If you don''t articulate it no-one will know what anyone wants and they'll just go on their own sweet way.

You go on thinking that about Venezuela but we both know deep down it's pure socialism that has caused it's downfall.

The situation in Venezuela is nothing like the UK, nor is it ever likely to be; it's just a bogeyman, a very successful one at that..

'In this whole negative and pisstaking thread about Corbyn no-one has come out and said what they do want from the Labour party'...I want a Labour party that represents the majority of it's supporters who are anti brexit instead of one that is only concerned with regaining votes from UKIP. If they do deselect Chris Leslie [the S.O. has told me they want to do so] I am totally done with them .

WTF is 'pure socialism' Wally?

How would you have describe the actions of Labour governments in the era you cherish, from Atlee onwards, perhaps (who nationalised everything he possibly could...)
Were they 'socialist'? or what?

Guys you've only got to look at my posts to see what the policies are that I disagree with Corbyn about.

This is just not true Corbyn given his head could easily put us in the same situation. They have massive wealth on their doorstep yet socialism cannot handle it. Human corruption and in their case inefficiency as well caused it.

No Wally, all your posts tell me is that you are anti-~Corbyn and that you are confusing socialism (in the US/UK understanding, as I detailed earlier) with communism. You haven't told us what you want for the UK or how you'd propose we'd go about it. You won't even talk about Labour's perfectly reasonable manifesto.

Venezuela is not a democratic country any more, we still are (though we're tottering on the brink of not being one)

panampost.com/pedro-garcia/2015/07/08/10-reasons-why-venezuela-is-not-a-democracy/

www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2017/aug/03/maduro-torture-democracy-venezuela-failed-state

Do you visualise Corbyn acting to destroy all our democratic institutions, because that is the only way he'd be able to gain enough power to revolutionise our country? And, as I said earlier, I doubt that the army (and remember, force is the ultimate source of power in a state), which is a deeply conservative (small 'c') institution) would let him do it.

In addition, we have a stable democracy which is, ultimately, a few hundred years old, whereas S American states have been unstable for generations. There is no comparison.

It’s perfectly obvious that Labour voters ( anti Corbyn) and any other voters that support other Parties want a normal Labour Party and a normal Leader, not a Marxist lite version who lives for rebellion and who would love to see a Cuba/ Venezuela here no doubt, although of course the best of everything for the ruling elite.
These same voters want a non pacifist in charge, in case we are threatened, not somebody who says he would never ‘press the button’ no matter what, and who told Michael Eavis at Glasto that he aims to get rid of Trident as soon as he could.The same voters may well not want the railways or anything else nationalised ( the reason they were privatised in the first place is that their performance was so abysmal.)
These voters see somebody who always welcomed the IRA
Because the IRA were at odds with our government, and that made them his friends.
They see a not very bright and now old backbencher, who has spent a lifetime in Parliament being mainly busy opposing everybody, including his own Party.
They see decent hardworking Labour MP’s worried about their own jobs, and candidates being chosen by Momentum.
They see Momentum infiltrating every aspect of the LP.
Will that do for starters?

It is a fact he lost a confidence vote in parliament with a large majority voting against him

How and when did 'he' loose a confidence vote in parliament? This is just rubbish.

Sorry shouldn't call you posts rubbish - it's untrue, fake whatever is acceptable these days.