Corbyns Inertia

You can try and derail this thread as much as you like ww. It won't make Corbyn less of a Marxist or a decent leader.

Good that no one has found any problem with the definition of democratic socialist so far.

Corbyns comment on the Shambolshuffle

“2018 and the impact of years of Tory austerity is hitting the public, most tragically with the NHS crises.

And yet the government’s big plan for the New Year is to dodge the real issues and reshuffle the pack in a pointless and lacklustre excercise. They cannot make up for 8 years of failure by changing the name of a department”

I can give plenty of definitions of a democratic socialist.

Have you got any further with posting the video?

I am waiting for the next let’s trash Labour thread. No point in getting into a discussion on the last page.

Well, he's certainly an expert on pointless PR exercises and omnishambles ww.
I'm sure you can give plenty of definitions of a democratic socialist. What's wrong with the one from Wiki?

I certaintly do not trash labour, I am deeply sadden it is dying

Blimey annie if your definition of a dying political party is one whose membership has risen rapidly to near 600,000
And who membership is both diverse and dynamic with a demography spread right across the board, I suggest a look at the Tories whose aged membership of dinosaurs is less then 70,000 and who are stuck in the past with their Torygraph and fail and who could hardly muster a decent election campaign in one constituency let alone the country.

Now that is a dying party.

Video?

And yet....with all that dynamic diversity going on, Corbyn
Lost the GE.
He is not so popular with the ordinary voter!

And for all the bluff and bluster the Tories have not won an election with any great endorsement since Thatcher, and yet they act as if the country has endorsed this rabid right wing agenda by widening the poverty gap, pushing more and more into poverty, trashing the NHS and social care, all the while ensuring the wealthy have not suffered one jot from the complete mess they made in 2007, by greedy speculation and corruption.

People voted for that?

I think not.

You can try and derail this thread as much as you like ww. It won't make Corbyn less of a Marxist or a decent leader.

Both those are simply your opinion Primrose. Others have, and wish to discuss, different opinions. I know you find this difficult to tolerate but just because people aren't agreeing with the OP does not mean anyone is trying to derail the thread; it doesn't work like that.

You can disparage one man as much as you like, no one is stopping you. However, we do have the right to widen the scope of the discussion if we want to and we do have the right not to agree with the opinions you put forward. Are you so very used to always having your own way with everyone backing down? I really don't think that will happen on a politics thread on any forum.

I certaintly do not trash labour, I am deeply sadden it is dying

The Labour Party membership voted for Jeremy Corbyn as their leader. You 'trash' the Labour Party every time you 'trash' their leader. It would be perfectly possible to disagree with his stance but you are so very personal in your condemnation that it is destructive.

That, of course, is just my opinion but it is the opinion of someone who may or may not vote Labour, something that I would have thought was something a party member should be encouraging. I - and again the opinion I personally gather from you posts - get the impression that you are talking up the Tories and what they are doing and would rather vote for them than the current Labour Party. If that is true - and, as I said, it is just what I gather from your posts - it seems a very perverse stand for an LP member to take and probably destructive towards your party.

He is not so popular with the ordinary voter!

You keep telling yourself that Lemons. The rest of us will live in the real world.

*And yet....with all that dynamic diversity going on, Corbyn
Lost the GE*
The Tories didn't win the GE either. They just bought a few votes to keep them selves in power, from a party that might described as very dodgy dealers

lemong:

And yet....with all that dynamic diversity going on, Corbyn
Lost the GE.grin

have you forgotten Tories had to sell a pound of flesh (and a lot more) to the DUP?!? Really.

Labour should be running rings around what is the most incompetent government I've ever known, but they're not. It's not good enough to just wait for the Conservatives to implode [in fact, they pretty much have anyway]. People like Hilary Benn have been silenced. I am in total despair at what is happening in this country. I keep being told that the result of the referendum must be honoured, but I will never accept that something won using lies and deceit is something to be honoured, and all I can think is that it's a result that Corbyn, in his heart, actually wanted. I have told them that they have to earn my vote and all I get is 'so you're going to vote Tory then' which isn't what I've said. When the new young Labour voters realise that Labour is now anti Europe they'll leave in the droves in which they joined, and Labour can't see it.......

Your opinion about me is not really relevant to democratic socialism GG. I think the definition I posted was fine - why not tell us what's wrong with the definition rather than what you think is wrong with me?

tegan I do think that labour’s remain wing is rising - just look at twitter. They are definately winning the argument.

To be honest that has always been the case, how could they Fail to win such a straightforward argument.

I think that the biggest issue is that Corbyn has spent his life believing that parliamentary representatives must listen to their constituents and in labour’s case there are whole swathes of Labour constituencies who voted to leave.

That is Corbyns problem. It is a conundrum which I am sure will resolve itself this year.

Continue with the argument and we will win the day.

But it's still the UKIP vote that won the referendum and, overall Labour voters were against brexit; why can't he see and acknowledge that, unless he doesn't WANT to see it? I do believe that he is a good, decent man but this is the greatest issue facing us in recent times and he can't ignore it. Hasn't Alex Cunningham just resigned because he says not being in the single market means his constituents are in danger of losing jobs because of it? How many more Labour people must go before Corbyn sees sense?

Tegan, Labour still have a problem with the four freedoms. Whether we like it or not a lot of Labour voters voted to leave because of what they saw as unfettered immigration. It really needs the EU to clarify the "freedom of movement of labour" and this may happen.

At this point I see no point in interrupting the absolute mess the Tories are making. If it would secure another election I would, but I cannot see that happening.

Calling older people dinosaurs is offensive, are all far left voters babes

Maybe the ones on here are all 25 or so Annie and not grans at all?

‘Winning the arguement on twitter’ and here we have the problem, because lots of left wing people bombard twitter with their viewpoints doesn’t necessarily translate into votes from others.
Corbyn could not have formed a government even with the SNP, the Lid Dems and the one Green in Parliament.
He needs to do much better than that to be in with a chance next time around,

Lemon, seems so , I am no babe, or dinosaur, I am not far left and not Tory . What is puzzling is what age does one become a dinosaur? is Corbyn a dinosaur or will be so when he is seventy, nearly there isn't he?

Presumably far left posters think that they are ‘down wiv da kids’ Annie

Most kids don’t vote though.