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Iam64 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:19:36

The situation we're in this week with the NHS, cancelled operations, frail and ill patients sitting in queues of ambulances outside A and E, etc etc.
The health secretary and PM are insisting they planned well for these pressures. Every doctor/nurse Ive heard interviewed is saying the situation is desperate and that the issue is lack of resources.
Local Authorities funds have been devastated so patients who could be discharged home if social care was available remain in hospital. People stay on trollies in A and E rather than being discharged because there isn't a Consultant available to confirm they ca go home.
Does anyone have a sensible suggestion about how this situation can be improved. I don't see how it can improve without more money, we need to train and support our medical staff.

paddyann Mon 08-Jan-18 09:41:03

oh dear Annie very unfair ,I cared fro my mum in her own home for over 12 years ,when she broke her leg they kept her in hospital for 7 weeks..not because I /we didn't want to care for her but because the carnaptious old begger that she was refused to sleep in my only downstairs bedroom and wanted to be taken upstairs ..that would have meant a 5 year old sleeping downstairs on his own.So in hospital she stayed..her choice ..not ours .I'm sure there are thousands of other folk who would happily have parents to care for too but the choice is taken out of their hands...By the way I still provided ALL her meals ..hot meals daily while she was in hospital because she wouldn't eat hospital food!

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 10:27:33

Crises in the NHS - need a plan?

How about stopping operations that should fix it!!

You couldn’t make it up.

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 10:30:28

Spending on the NHS has averaged 4% of GDP since 1947.

Since the Tories have been in power it has dropped to 1.2%

We are told however that spending is the highest ever.

Is it surprising that the NHS is failing.

Lies lies and yet more lies.

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 10:42:22

Anybody watch Marr asking May about the elderly lady waiting in an ambulance having suffered a stroke, going in and out of consciousness throughout the entire time. Marr said that if this has happened to him he would be dead.

Mays reply?

“I recognise that people have concerns”

Time to bang ones head or preferably Mays head against the brick wall.

Lazigirl Mon 08-Jan-18 12:02:19

Trouble is in the Tories eyes everything is going to plan! I read yesterday that a total of 95 walk-in centres - 40% of the overall original number - have closed since the Conservatives came to power, or are due to shut soon. This surely must have impacted on the numbers going to A&E.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:03:43

Bloody hell!!!
Hunt has been appointed Health and Social Care secretary!!!!

Tegan2 Mon 08-Jan-18 17:14:52

Just read it; I mean, he can't do one job properly so, hey, let's give him two#youcouldn'tmakeitup

jura2 Mon 08-Jan-18 17:17:44

Beggars belief ...

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 17:19:18

He was in number 10 so long that there were jokes that suggested that he was waiting in a trolley.

Lazigirl Mon 08-Jan-18 17:27:13

Oh dear! Yet another reason to dread getting old in this country!

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:33:43

When Labour MP Tracy Brabin raised the issue of poorly people sleeping on the floor in A&E, Philip Dunne, who was standing in for Hunt, apologised for cancelled operations and said people sleeping on the floor was not acceptable but added: “There are seats available in most hospitals where beds are not available.”

So it was policy, was it?

Hunt was supposed to be moving to business, but he refused to go and demanded the social care job as well.

Gauke has been made justice secretary. Where's the justice in that?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:34:47

Has she actually sacked or demoted anyone?
This was supposed to make her stronger. How?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 17:36:52

Gauke is the sixth justice secretary since 2010. That's obviously the job nobody wants.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 19:32:36

I hope you are watching Inside Out.

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 19:34:13

Justine Greening refusing to take DWP.
She's been in No 10 for three hours.
Probably going to wait and see what's left.

whitewave Mon 08-Jan-18 19:38:06

If she goes onto the back bench she’d presumably join the Remainers?

Iam64 Mon 08-Jan-18 19:53:03

I spent today on a children's ward where one of our grandchildren is being treated for a serious infection. I won't detail our families involvement with A and E and various other health services since Friday but inevitably, I'll praise the medical staff who are doing a wonderful job under very difficult circumstances.

I almost drove up a lamp post as I came home from the hospital, listening to news of the re-shuffle on the car radio. Hunt now responsible for ruining for what is left of our social care services, along with his continued destruction of the NHS.

Of course this country can afford to fund its NHS. It's the will that is lacking, as well as the desire to run down the NHS and have some kind of dreadful divisive system where the rich can afford to buy themselves the best of health care and the rest of us struggle as our grandparents did. My grandson would almost certainly have died of the infection he's being treated for in pre-NHS days. As it is, his grandparents could have sold our houses etc to pay for his care if needed - is that honestly what people want?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 19:59:32

Justine quit. She's turned down the offer of DWP and there's nothing left.

Morgana Mon 08-Jan-18 23:07:10

I wonder if she kept Hunt in place so as to make it obvious that she supports him? At the end of the day she is just shuffling the deck chairs on the Titanic! She looks weaker and weaker. Who's going to be P.M. next?

Morgana Mon 08-Jan-18 23:09:39

What do we think Labour would do with the Health Service? How would they fund it?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 23:13:51

Tax rich people, Morgana, and sort out HMRC so they collect the tax that has been hidden offshore. Quite sensible, really.

OldMeg Mon 08-Jan-18 23:24:02

There are moves afoot to set up a Royal Commission. I’m not sure what that means but there are quite a few supporting the idea from all sides of the political spectrum.

How would that help please?

durhamjen Mon 08-Jan-18 23:45:21

It will just slow things up. If they want a royal commission they should put money in first, to stop the whole system disintegrating.

paddyann Tue 09-Jan-18 00:07:58

I think its more bad management than lack of money ,

Iam64 Tue 09-Jan-18 09:08:54

Ok so what would you do to improve that paddynan? Genuine question.

I'm not sure about hospital management systems, other than knowing there appear to be a lot of managers. GP practices are struggling under the weight of bureaucracy, the refusal of the powers that be for practices to say we're full, we can't take any more patients and of course, recruit young doctors because the pressures are so well known, few medics now want to become GP's.
We pay less into our NHS than other European countries put into their health services. I'm sure management of the NHS could be improved but that's true of every private industry as well. We either value and want to sustain/improve our NHS or we return to pre NHS days when the poor died because they couldn't afford treatment.