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Iam64 Wed 03-Jan-18 19:19:36

The situation we're in this week with the NHS, cancelled operations, frail and ill patients sitting in queues of ambulances outside A and E, etc etc.
The health secretary and PM are insisting they planned well for these pressures. Every doctor/nurse Ive heard interviewed is saying the situation is desperate and that the issue is lack of resources.
Local Authorities funds have been devastated so patients who could be discharged home if social care was available remain in hospital. People stay on trollies in A and E rather than being discharged because there isn't a Consultant available to confirm they ca go home.
Does anyone have a sensible suggestion about how this situation can be improved. I don't see how it can improve without more money, we need to train and support our medical staff.

durhamjen Fri 23-Mar-18 16:48:55

Sorry, Hawking.

Lazigirl Fri 23-Mar-18 17:24:55

Yes dj. I think 38 Degrees is very effective in enabling individuals to join together to be noticed and to influence change in our so called democracy. It would be very dispiriting for someone like me living in a rural county with a staunch Tory MP to make my voice heard if it were not for groups like 38 Degrees.

durhamjen Fri 23-Mar-18 18:02:18

Agree, lazigirl.
NHS is not going to get any better after Brexit.

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durhamjen Tue 27-Mar-18 16:35:36

www.taxresearch.org.uk/Blog/2018/03/27/hypothecated-taxes-are-designed-to-undermine-the-nhs/

An interesting article by Richard Murphy.

durhamjen Tue 27-Mar-18 18:00:29

www.theweek.co.uk/92554/nhs-finances-are-in-a-perilous-state-mps-warn

Do you think they will listen to their own public accounts committee?

whitewave Tue 27-Mar-18 18:22:57

Oh how I wish there were elections every year. It sure focuses minds.

Theresa May was cross party cooperation on NHS

durhamjen Tue 27-Mar-18 18:27:51

I saw that. Do you think they are hoping that everyone will forget all the years they have been stripping the NHS of staff and finance?
Anyway, it needs more money NOW, not after another committee is set up.

whitewave Tue 27-Mar-18 18:58:46

Mays bid for votes

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durhamjen Tue 27-Mar-18 19:44:19

Yes, she does think we'll forget!

durhamjen Tue 27-Mar-18 22:59:29

A response to Richard Murphy's taxresearch article about hypothecated tax.

"Hypothecated taxes create “consumers” for public goods. Once you become a consumer and believe that you are paying personally for services the consumer feels that personal rights are created and usage increases because of a culture of direct payment for services. Similarly a system of insurance does the same thing because having a specific payment for a service means the individual will use that service even when not strictly required because they have paid for it. Insurance and health providers love this idea because it means that more money is poured into health services which is why in the US far more is spent on health than comparable with the NHS.

The beauty of the NHS is that it creates a culture of public good for those who need the service not one of use because of a personal right created via a direct payment by me either by an insurance policy or an hypothecated tax.

Those on the political right who insist that a grown up conversation is needed as to how the NHS will be funded are solely seeking to impose private enterprise doctrine. The most efficient means of funding the NHS has to be through central government funded by all. Any other system of funding has to involve a transfer of benefit from those less able to afford it to those able to pay. An insurance system will reduce the funding pool and force those unable to pay to “choose” a lower level of cover a choice no one can legitimately make because they lack the knowledge as to what illnesses they may need to cover in the future. Their doctrine supports the growth of inequality and the preservation of existing privilege. The privatisation of the pensions system via auto enrolment excludes those who are unemployed and benefits those with higher incomes compared to those on lower incomes. The creeping privatisation of the health system will do the same."

That's why I like that blog, because those who reply also know what they are talking about.

durhamjen Sat 31-Mar-18 10:36:44

More lies from May.

www.theguardian.com/society/2018/mar/29/health-trusts-say-next-years-ae-targets-will-be-impossible-to-meet

Not putting more money into the NHS like she keeps saying. Trusts are being asked to save £4 billion next financial year.

Luckygirl Sat 31-Mar-18 11:43:53

Richard Murphy blog very succinct and accurate - thanks for posting it.

durhamjen Sat 31-Mar-18 12:56:19

I think his wife is a GP, Luckygirl, so he knows a bit about it.