Is this young woman a terrorist?

Still confused?

Some posters do use this technique; it is only after you have read a long post without any quotation marks that you might realise the words are not those of the poster themselves but lifted from somewhere else, therefore from someone else who may have their own agenda.

So can I ask a question of all you folk critical of the OP.

Are you saying that Israel is right in its land grab? Or simply that you are annoyed at the way the OP was poised?

I am confused.

I agree with you Birene, but Merlot summed it up rather well. You'll know for the future.

Thanks for warning me merlotgran! In future I'll pass rather than being drawn in.
And yes lemongrove, this family is a pain in the posterior. I was just unhappy with the form chosen by Jura to involve us in debate. She/he could simply have begun the post with 'let us imagine this scenario' or '' I'd like to draw your attention to ........ .What do others think?" etc etc. Anything but fiction.

Good post lemon.

Yes it is the sentiment of the OP which is important.

To my mind Zionism is the worst thing to be inflicted on Israel’s people. The result is the internationally agreed illegal land grabs continuing throughout that region.

I don't think you can call Melanie Phillips unbiased.
She is Jewish, isn't she?
So hardly unbiased.

Is the child in the OP a real child or a generic child?
Every child should be entitled to a safe, secure upbringing but so many do not. I would help a child as so many do and hope that one day he or she would grow up, remember our help, and aim to be a peacemaker, not a terrorist MinniesMum.

Sorry, did not mean to 'hide behind anything' - the title asked 'is this young woman a terrorist' - which made it clear to me I was not talking about me. It was clear too because most of us here know each other. And as said, I gave this as an example refering to another discussion on GN- where 'terrorists' were cited- like Mandela.

Nazis of course called 'The Resistance' in France 'terrorists'.
This post was not to draw out people re Israel versus Palestine - but to illustrate exactly what many said ' someone's terrorist is another's freedom fighter'.

This family was indeed 'up to their eyebrows' - not of their own choice- their land was taken, their house, their water, and several family members and friends, neighbours, were killed, shot, beaten, humiliated ....this is not about politics, but humanity.

And I wonder how many of your ever asked yourselves- faced with Apartheid, with no political voice whatsoever- or with nazi occupation and collaborators in the Vichy régime- what would I have done. Lie down- or fight.

I hope I would fight ... and can't blame anyone who feels the same.

Those of us who have been on here a while are familiar with jura's style of OPs and know when to take them with a pinch of salt.

Well said lemongrove!

Yes, it needed to be clear that jura2 was only posting this ‘plea’ and was not the teenager in question.
Regardless of Israeli/Palestinian conflict and how we see it,this teenager and her entire family are up to their eyebrows in all sorts of things according to various reports, so we shouldn't be taken in by it.

I hope we don't see any more posts using this very manipulative style to draw out our thoughts on the Israeli/Palestinian conflict. Or any other subject for that matter. It feels like we are being taken for fools. I almost didn't want to respond but it has truly irritated me. Perhaps Jura could set out her opinions in a more upfront, honest, personal way in future - instead of appearing to hide behind a 'character' however close to a real person that character is.
I'm surprised and disappointed that this post was allowed in its present form by the moderators. Hope we don't have any more of this nonsense, just honest opinion please.

Agree 100% Silverlining48

There is a massive power inbalance between israel and the palestinians. Check out the ever increasing land grab by israel on maps from 1948 onwards. Palestine is now split into separate parts and controlled on all sides by Israel. Even the wall has encroached onto palestinian land. People who have lived there for hundreds of years have lost their land and are still refugees after all these years. No freedom of movement, no choice.
Currently israel is trying to empty another Palestinian area to turn into a sort of Jewish disney. Sorry cant recall the name. Silvan? Need to check.
When there are attacks the vast vast majority of victims are Palestinian. Who of us wouldnt be angry. Each time it happens more footsoldiers are recruited.
I am not antisemitic and what happened in the 40’s was truly shocking but that does not, in my opi nion, give israel the right to oppress other peoples. The united nations have found against israel a number of times but no sanction is ever made and trump Deciding to put the american embassy in jerusalem has not helped the already dire situation. I despair.

Those who teach violence are surely those who dish it out- take people's lands, farms, foods, water and raise their villages to the ground and humiliate them day in, day out- and beat them, beat their kids, and shoot them if they don't obey? I'd say.

Been out all afternoon- thanks Elrel and others- I did assume that as a very long standing on GN, it would be clear to all that I was not 'the girl' (unlike many here, when I did leave and rejoin, I used a name that would be immediately recognised to all). I'd also assumed that all would have heard of this case, via TV, papers or other media.

And all of a sudden several posters appear whose names I've never ever seen here- bizarre.

This post was meant to follow the discussion on another thread about Mandela and other famous terrorists - the question being, if you have no access to political solutions and a vote - how do you fight extreme oppression. Mandely did regret some of the violence- but what on earth were they supposed to do?

Wake up - Jura is simply drawing attention to this young woman’ s story in an eyecatching way. She’s not pretending to be her, just publicising her plight.
Amber and others banging on about antisemitism - are you aware of the organisation ‘Jews against Zionism’. It does exist!
Consider the facts them make up your own minds about this horrible situation. Don’t forget the young footballers killed on the beach by Israeli shells. Or the toddler shot by the Israeli army while holding the hand of his 6 year old brother. I suspect they weren’t terrorists.

How strange, Amber37.
How long have you been on GransNet?

Amber37
Bless your words!
I am following right behind you.

I DON'T TRUST THIS POSTER.HOW ON EARTH IS SHE ALLOWED ACCESS TO THE INTERNET IN JAIL? IT JUST DIDNt RING TRUE TO ME.

"And now I am in jail!"

Careless of the authorities to give her access to the internet.

Perhaps if the OP identified themselves we could offer an opinion.

After the first world war with the collapse of the Ottoman Empire, Britain became the ruling power in this area of the Middle East. In 1948, the whole idea was to create two states, one called Israel and the other Palestine. Unfortunately, after its creation Israel was almost immediately attacked by other Arab states making the creation of Palestine impossible, although it was very much desired by the Palestinians at the time. Sadly any attempts to rectify this situation over the years have been fruitless, leading us to where we are today, that is hardened positions on both sides seemingly impossible to breach.

How sad that this wonderful forum has been hijacked for political purposes. Jura 2's post has been written by a native English speaker and therefore there are doubts of its authenticity. Is this the start for people to start writing hate mail or having a hidden agenda? If I wanted political arguments I would use a different platform. I'm surprised that the moderator (if there is one) has allowed the original post. I'm bowing out of Granset.

It didn't take long for accusations of anti-Semitism to be made. Israel is the only country in the world above criticism because to criticise is to be anti-Semitic. Funny how it is possible to criticise African countries without being racist or Islamic countries without being Islamaphobic.
There is no excuse for the soldiers' presence there. They were not invited by the Palestinian authorities and so were trespassing.