Corbyns Torque

Champagne Socialists Primrose a lot of them.

Don't ABC1s work Primrose?

I thought the LP was the party of it's members. With over 70% ABC1's, it's hardly the party of the workers!

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No Wally, it is not in my gift nor should it be in anyone's, to "shut you up". If you write as if your opinions are facts - which makes me feel as if you are getting up close and shouting rudely at me - it is my opinion that it is okay to point out that they are not facts, they are opinions.

If you don't think your opinions are facts and I personally find it more comfortable to be told that this occasionally.

But you ... of course, are a liberty to ignore me completely and carry on regardless.

Wilma, Corbyn is to give unions more power if he is elected , Len McClusky has a desk in Labour H.Q.

I am not sure why it is a problem that unions should influence the LP. I could be wrong but I thought that the Labour Party grew out of the Trades Union movement. I also thought it was the party of labour and the working person. I would have thought unions would have some views and insight into that. You seem to be very picky about which bit of the roots of the LP you are willing to acknowledge. Is it that you want the LP to remain in aspic as the Tony Blair Party? However, if is your party not mine so you must be right of course.

why is it assumed people cannot become wealthy unless they dodge paying tax , some avoid tax, some fiddle benefits,

It isn't and it wasn't but it suits some to read that into others comments.

GracesGranMK2 I think no such thing, or is this a ploy to shut me up.

Wilma, people are suspended from the Labour Party because they believe women-only shortlists should include trans women but exclude men who self-identify as women.

I don't think the Labour Party has policy on this and I don't think it has been discussed at conference. (Happy to be corrected here)

I agree with them. Self-identification doesn't give you the right to stand for all women shortlists/women only positions.

Wilma, Corbyn is to give unions more power if he is elected , Len McClusky has a desk in Labour H.Q.

why is it assumed people cannot become wealthy unless they dodge paying tax , some avoid tax, some fiddle benefits,

Can I just check something? Are posters objecting to men who identify as women being eligible for women only jobs?

POGS I'm sure the unions and Momentum do communicate with each other. My point was neither have to be considered the bogey man, especially when unions have nothing like the power of the 70s.

Re Chris Williamson on QT wasn't displaying the politics of envy. He quoted Clement Attlee who said -

Charity is a cold grey loveless thing. If a rich man wants to help the poor, he should pay his taxes gladly, not dole out money at a whim.

Sounds good to me even after all those years.

Nadhim Zahawi told TM he was at Presidents Club Dinner for a short time before leaving because he felt uncomfortable. Turns out he was there for at least an hour and a half after the women were lined up on the stage. Given that he states he left because he felt uncomfortable, as Minister of State for Children and Families with responsibilities, why did he not speak out about the event? Even on Twitter?

It's reputation as an all male event was not unknown and I have to assume the politicians who attended were not well advised. This is from the Steerpike column in the Independent in 2010 -

All very grand, but the most eye catching part of the event – which is strictly for male diners – was the bevy of hostesses dressed in short black or red dresses, who entered the ballroom after dinner, to the fanfare of Shania Twain’s “Feel Like a Woman”. Each are paid £120 for “fetching drinks” and “socialising with” the glitzy guests.

It is quite a racy event for the conservative HSBC to sponsor, but the beauty parade seemed to be something of a hit.

“The boys tucked into the girls,” confesses my man on the inside, before adding swiftly: “after I’d left.” Naturally.

I'm not sure if he's got away with it after all.

Then Wilma, you are skipping posts .

Do you not think we need to remember and learn from the decades you dismiss as a different world?

Annie no, I'm not skipping posts, just taking a break from replying. And the last sentence of my post says that I do think we need to learn the lessons from history. I did not dismiss the decades between the memories you posted about and now. We need to look at the circumstances we face now and apply any lessons from history, but we don't need to base decisions solely on those lessons. To do so would be foolish and narrow minded. We need solutions for today's world.

a double x post!

No worries POGS. You probably read it that way because that's how I wrote it! I think it's best I take some delicious drugs and tuck up in bed. It's not good posting when I can't string a sentence together - I get in enough trouble when I'm coherent and lucid.

Primrose we x posted.

Hope you are not too 'bugged up'.

Primrose

Apologies

I read your post " Wes Streeting and Angela Rayner are part of a group, along with Momentum activists and others, who are actively lobbying for suspension and expulsion from the party.". and I thought it was with regard to the ' Deselection' debate of MP's.

Yes, she is safe. They are both active in groups trying to suspend women from the party for not accepting that men who self-identify as women should be accepted onto all women short lists. They are not at risk, the women are.
Momentum activists are members of the same group. Make of that what you will.

Sorry - I've got a bit of a bug at the moment and I'm probably not very clear.

Primrose

I believe Angela Rayner might have ruffled a few feathers as she has mentioned ' deselection' , said she would not sign Momentums Loyalty Pledge ( not because she does not believe in Corbyn but because she does not believe it is appropriate) and of course she said Labour’s economic plans for major increases in state spending was a high-risk “shit-or-bust strategy”. ..

She is however Shadow Secretary for Education so I think she would be safe as Corbyn kept her in his Cabinet Reshuffle a couple of weeks ago .

Jennifer James and Venice Allen have been suspended.
Here's the petition that caused a lot of fuss
www.gofundme.com/fighting-for-female-representatives
And yes, definitely Wes Streeting, who has been actively supporting Lily Madigan and is a member of the 'Labour against transphobia' group, who have been petitioning to get a list of women suspended.

I will double check POGS brb

Primrose

" Wes Streeting and Angela Rayner are part of a group, along with Momentum activists and others, who are actively lobbying for suspension and expulsion from the party. "

Excuse me for asking but do you have that the right way round?

I thought Wes Streeting has been vocal against Momentum , therefore a candidate for Momentum to try to deselect him.

Mine commented on views being put forward as facts. As this is not what I did you were attacking me personally.

Gracesgran

I am happy for you to report my personal comments which ' echoed yours ' and perhaps you could start with posts made at 19.43 and 21.06.

What did my post say that yours did not.

I have no hold over the Labour Party POGS. I am not even a member. I may or may not vote for them Why are you holding me to account for something when I gave my personal opinion earlier?