Corbyns Torque

I think the transgender debate is definitely worth a new thread!

Lansman is getting all his ducks in a row. What's really frightening is that this is exactly what he said he would do and he has been voted into a position where he can do it. Corbyn will be ousted (or will step down) but I have no idea who Lansman wants to replace him. He went to school just up the road from Corbyns constituency which is a safe Labour seat. Maybe it will be Lansman standing at the next general election?

[need to pop out now to buy more tin foil for hats]

Spot on POGS, those training days certaintly work, creepy thought, why be trained to support a leader ? I have canvassed for so many elections, training ? No way . Now it seems training is needed for Momentum members joining a CLP and for canvassing , parrot speak comes to mind

I didn't know Lansman was born into an Orthodox Jew family

POGS - many ' new and returned' Labour members have joined because of Momentum and their backing for Corbyn the man, not the Labour Party

Yes, they have been fired up by the hard left appeal of Labour. I wonder if the appreciate just how hard left Momentum is, and how it's made up of young idealists thinking they can bring about the 'revolution' that they want?

Economic stability isn't on the agenda. What is on the agenda is a complete reformation of the Labour party.

I can fully understand a move away from Blair's dreadful 'New Labour' but what Momentum seems to want is OLD Labour, harping back to the times when the militant unions held the country to ransom. It's the time-warp thinking of aggressive revolutionaries which can only ruin the UK's stable economy and leave most workers worse off.

In my opinion anyone who can support Corbyn-Momentum don't give a fig for the values of socialism. Everything one reads/hears of Momentum screams communism

I think that's an interesting observation POGS and I agree with you. The only other thing I've noticed Lansman say is that 'national Momentum' will not be involved in forcing reselections.
So that will all be done with his encouragement from local Momentum groups then. Take control of the NEC and the complaints process. Take control at local level - which is why so many local councils are complaining of a purge. Then your local activists will take out any MP you don't want - 'it's the will of the local party members'.
Seems democratic enough!

the new Momentum-backed representatives on the NEC are, at last, reflecting the concerns and views of many Labour members - and indeed much of the general population.

There are several areas in London (and no doubt other parts of the country) where Labour councils are paying scant attention to the views of people on average incomes who are being squeezed out of areas because of private/public partnerships which impact upon reasonably priced housing and reasonaby priced business premises. There are concerns being expressed about the re-development of Brixton and Haringey, and the NEC has requested that in Haringey there be proper consultation with local people and their views taken into consideration.

In my own area, a Labour council is proposing re-development of the town centre, using attractive grassy open space and a children's playground (which is to be re-sited next to the bus station) to build three blocks of flats/shops/offices - one of which block is proposed to be 29 storeys. There is strong local opposition in terms of environmental impact and a lack of genuine affordability. It is, in my view, right that local people's views be taken heed of rather than very intrusive, expensive and inappropriate developments be bamboozled through. This has no direct impact on me or any members of my family since we all have homes some way away from the town centre. However, we feel that such an intrusive and ugly developments would never be considered in the more leafy, middle class areas of London.

and yet there are calls for more affordable/social housing as people are being priced out of London.

So what is the answer? If they build there is strong local opposition if they do nothing to provide housing they will be severely criticised.

There's not a lot of social housing being built, but plenty of affordable housing, no doubt down to the fact that affordable just means 80% of the market price.

I think that 20% can make a huge difference here in London though Wilma. Household income of up to £90k is the eligibility criteria for affordable housing in London. Although McDonnell feels those people qualify as 'the rich' and they should pay more tax, the reality is they qualify for subsidised housing!

Eloethan, I think there was a 'proper consultation' with local people in Haringey. They have been consulting and planning since 2015 and were elected on the promise to build more housing in 2014.
The leader of Haringey seems quite determined to get people out of temporary accommodation and for residents of run-down estates to live in better homes. She is not prepared to accept that there is nothing she can do about it and she strikes me as a woman who has worked very hard to find a solution to a problem. However, I think, politically, it will be difficult for her to succeed - as then the Tories would say 'look at Haringey - they solved the problem'.

Eloethan I don’t doubt your sincerely held socialist views,
But take issue with your comment ‘the new Momentum backed representatives on the NEC are, at last, reflecting the concerns and views of many Labour members and indeed
Much of the general population.’
You cannot assume that at all, in fact I would think that much of the general population wouldn’t want anything to do with anything that Momentum are espousing.Much of the general population doesn’t even vote Labour, never mind the Marxist message of Lansman and friends,

haven't voted for Labour before lemongrove but there is huge support for nationalisation, with even some Tories believing it would be best.

The Lagatum Institute – no friend to socialism – found that 83 percent of respondents to their joint research with Populus supported nationalisation of the water industry. This included 76 percent of Conservative voters at the 2017 general election. The report also found 76 percent supported the nationalisation of the trains, including 65 percent of Conservative voters. A YouGov poll released one month ahead of the 2017 general election found that a majority of voters also supported the nationalisation of bus companies, the energy companies and Royal Mail along with the water industry and the railways. There is huge support for Labour’s nationalisation policy across all age and political groups.

Strange then that those who call themselves moderates and socialists rant against such policies

That shouldhave Maybe they at the start

Eloethan

" The new Momentum-backed representatives on the NEC are, at last, reflecting the concerns and views of many Labour members - and indeed much of the general population.

Hmm

Perhaps there is a ' reflection of the views ' of many new/returned/Momentum members into the Labour Party When you note the words of the likes of Seema Chandwani for example, she was elected onto the Conference Arrangements Committee (CAC) who said.

" It is time for the party to discipline the “Judases” in the Parliamentary Labour Party (PLP) who had publicly criticised the leader over the past year. "

Momentum are a Party within a Party and as so often said a Party for the man Corbyn not the Labour Party in general. The whole concept of Momentum is Jeremy for Leader and to shape the Labour Party in his and Momentums image and no debate nor discussion will be had , it will be the Momentum way or the Highway for the Parliamentary Labour Party and it is not the Right Wing Press but Labour MP's themselves that have been giving this warning since Corbyn and Momentum took power.

It depends on who did the survey really trisher. YouGov found 59% in support of nationalisation of water.

My concern is that no one puts the numbers in front of voters and says 'do you support this - it will cost you £x". My response would be, wait until you give them the bill. Then ask if they want to pay it.

By the way I still find it strange posters who say they know nothing about Momentum have been posting on Momentum related threads for well over a year now.

Very odd.

It's the Lagatum Institute. You can read the full report here. And they are about as conservative as you can get
www.li.com/activities/publications/public-opinion-in-the-post-brexit-era-economic-attitudes-in-modern-britain
POGS if you needed knowledge to post on here this thread would be empty. Still continue with the abuse and
accusations and don't let a few facts get in the way.

"POGS if you needed knowledge to post on here this thread would be empty. Still continue with the abuse and
accusations and don't let a few facts get in the way."

Explain please!

What a strange comment - if you need knowledge to post on here this thread would be empty !

Ok try Corbyn pointed out that the army recruits from the unemployed-but you don't like him so you can't admitt it's true.
Many people are in favour of nationalisation -from all parties but post that you are on here and you'll be labelled a communist or marxist or Corbynista.
Produce any evidence about these things and someone will make a comment about something totally inane, because most of you are so full of bile you just don't want there to be any evidence against you,

Even more confused trisher.

Corbyn did not say the army recuits from the unemployed

The Lagatum Institute – no friend to socialism – found that 83 percent of respondents to their joint research with Populus supported nationalisation of the water industry.

It was Labour which privatised the water industry, wasn't it, as far as I remember?

After a programme of privatisation by one government after another, Tory and Labour, how much will it cost to re-nationalise everything that has been privatised over the years?

Apparently, the renationalisation of the water industry alone would cost about £70 billion.

I would think that unemployed people would be quite a good source of recruitment potential for any organisation.